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newpers...@gmail.com  
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 More options May 9 2007, 7:36 am
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From: newpers...@gmail.com
Date: 8 May 2007 14:36:43 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 7:36 am
Subject: Want to start going to AA
 For the last 15 years I've never went more than 1 week without
getting drunk, I usually drink 3 nights a week sometimes less
sometimes more. I usually only drink at weekends and rarely if im
working the next day, however I know I would be happier without it and
want to quit. I've tried giving up on my own steam but been
unsuccessful and lasted a fortnight, before thinking "im feeling
better now what was I thinking I don't have a problem!".  My grandad
was an alcoholic and I fear I am heading down the same path.

I've decided I need to attend meetings at least once a week, however
im worried about going to a local meeting, what if someone see's me?
What if they think I'm overreacting and Im not really an alcoholic
just a binge drinker?

Thanks for any replies

NP


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Ron G  
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 More options May 9 2007, 7:58 am
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From: "Ron G" <r...@network12.com>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:58:35 -0400
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 7:58 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

<newpers...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> For the last 15 years I've never went more than 1 week without
> getting drunk, I usually drink 3 nights a week sometimes less
> sometimes more. I usually only drink at weekends and rarely if im
> working the next day, however I know I would be happier without it and
> want to quit. I've tried giving up on my own steam but been
> unsuccessful and lasted a fortnight, before thinking "im feeling
> better now what was I thinking I don't have a problem!".  My grandad
> was an alcoholic and I fear I am heading down the same path.

> I've decided I need to attend meetings at least once a week, however
> im worried about going to a local meeting, what if someone see's me?
> What if they think I'm overreacting and Im not really an alcoholic
> just a binge drinker?

Interesting. You have a unique drinking pattern. 3 nights a
week...but...only drink at (on) weekends. Rarely if you work the next day.
Care to clarify this?

RonG


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 More options May 9 2007, 8:09 am
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From: newpers...@gmail.com
Date: 8 May 2007 15:09:06 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 8:09 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
On 8 May, 22:58, "Ron G" <r...@network12.com> wrote:

I usually drink heavily fri-sat (8-10 strong beers) each night, then
one night a week occasionally.  I know it might not sound a lot but
the problem is I cant stop for more than a few weeks.

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 More options May 9 2007, 8:18 am
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From: "Tim and Lisa" <tworkm...@socal.rr.com>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:18:26 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 8:18 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

"Ron G" <r...@network12.com> wrote in message

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Everydays Friday! ;o)

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 More options May 9 2007, 8:25 am
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From: David M <dh...@insightbb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 17:25:56 -0500
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 8:25 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

newpers...@gmail.com wrote:
>  For the last 15 years I've never went more than 1 week without
> getting drunk, I usually drink 3 nights a week sometimes less
> sometimes more. I usually only drink at weekends and rarely if im
> working the next day, however I know I would be happier without it and
> want to quit. I've tried giving up on my own steam but been
> unsuccessful and lasted a fortnight, before thinking "im feeling
> better now what was I thinking I don't have a problem!".  My grandad
> was an alcoholic and I fear I am heading down the same path.
> I've decided I need to attend meetings at least once a week, however
> im worried about going to a local meeting, what if someone see's me?
> What if they think I'm overreacting and Im not really an alcoholic
> just a binge drinker?

If you have a desire to stop drinking you will be welcome at any meeting
   -- local or not.  And no one in a f2f meeting will suggest you are
only a binge drinker and not entitled to be there.

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 More options May 9 2007, 8:45 am
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From: Mark Warner <mhwarner.inhibiti...@insightbb.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 18:45:41 -0400
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 8:45 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

newpers...@gmail.com wrote:

> I usually drink heavily fri-sat (8-10 strong beers) each night, then
> one night a week occasionally.  I know it might not sound a lot but
> the problem is I cant stop for more than a few weeks.

Sounds to me like you start getting hammered as soon as the bell rings
on Friday, and then (usually) can't make it through the week without
another drunk.

Sounds familiar.

Me, I had to go another 20 years or so before I decided it was a
problem. You don't have to wait that long.

--
Mark Warner
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Registered Linux User #415318
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 More options May 9 2007, 9:12 am
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From: "Rob D." <fr.robert....@gmail.com>
Date: 8 May 2007 16:12:41 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 9:12 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
On May 8, 4:36 pm, newpers...@gmail.com wrote:

>  For the last 15 years I've never went more than 1 week >without getting drunk,

>I usually drink 3 nights a week sometimes less sometimes >more.

>I usually only drink at weekends and rarely if im working the >next day,

>however I know I would be happier without it and want to >quit.

>I've tried giving up on my own steam but been unsuccessful >and lasted a fortnight, before thinking "im feeling better now >what was I thinking I don't have a problem!".

> My grandad was an alcoholic and I fear I am heading down >the same path.

Hey, NP!

All the things you have said above are things I have heard countless
times at meetings.  Sounds to me like you will fit right in!

That may not sound like good news right now, but it *can* be, provided
you are willing for it to be.

> I've decided I need to attend meetings at least once a week, >however im worried about going to a local meeting, what if >someone see's me?

This is true.  Someone "may see you."  But this is why you are going,
isn't it?  You *want* the people who are there to "see you," and
perhaps be able to help you.

Okay, okay, I know. You mean, "What if someone *who knows me* sees
me?"

If this happens:

a) They are at the meeting because they have a drinking problem they
are seeking help with.  They will undersatnd.

or:

b) They have family or friends who are at the meeting because they
have a drinking problem they are seeking help with. Again, the person
who sees you will understand.

or:  It will be someone who is not related to the meeting at all, who
somehow sees you, and realizes you have a problem with alcohol, and
are seeking help with it.  If they are any kind of a decent person,
they will understand.

or:

They are NOT any kind of a decent person, and will bear you ill-will
because you have recognized that you have a problem, and are doing
something about it.

Do you *want* to live you life worrying about what a person like that
thinks of you?

[As to the people in the meeting]

> What if they think I'm overreacting and Im not really an >alcoholic just a binge drinker?

You still have a right to be there.  You want to "do something about
your drinking."  That is more than enough for someone to want to
investigate AA.

True, you may meet that rare fool who looks at you and says, "Boy, I
spilled more on my tie than you ever drank!"

Just say "thank you," wish Senator Foghorn a good evening, and back
away.

Slowly.

You will not find it hard to find someone who recognizes the value of
getting sober early in life, and is more than willing to help you.

Stop and think:  I am a total stranger.  This is a *LONG* post.

WHY was I willing to spend my time pounding the keyboard fot this long
for someone I don't even know?

Answer:  I've been in your shoes, brother, and helping you helps me
stay sober.

That's the kind of people you will meet in AA, mostly.

You will also meet blowhards, dry drunks, and power junkies.  That's
okay, too.

When you meet someone you *don't* want to be like, just tell yourself,
"This is what I will be if I don't find recovery."

So,

1: get to the meeting.

2: Get some phone numbers of people (men, I think, as I have the idea
you are male.  Get womens' numbers ONLY if you are female.  You're not
there to get a date).  Choose the folks who seem to projest that sense
of peace and recovery *you* want for yourself.

3: Ask one of those key people if he will help you get a handle on the
program.  (In AA, we call this a sponsor, but you don't *have* to have
one, and you can fire him anytime you want.  Many people find it wise
to have a sponsor, though. You might want to a least get a temp one.

4: Buy or borrow a Big Book.  You'll find out about this at the
meeting. (You can read it oonline, at: http://www.recovery.org/aa/bigbook/ww/)

5.  *READ* the book!

6. Get to work on the steps.  PUT YOUR BACK INTO IT!

7.  (Optional...actually, they're *all* optional...) Please come back,
and let us know how it went.  All the folks who spent time writing you
a reply would love to find out it went well, and want to help if it
does not.  We've been there.

Peace and prayers,

Rob D., an alcoholic
Muskogee, Oklahoma


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Grace  
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 More options May 9 2007, 9:14 am
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From: Grace <graceh...@spiritone.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:14:29 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 9:14 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

If they see you at a meeting, chances are they are there for the same
reason. At my first meeting, I saw a former boss, a former classmate
from high school, and a former professor and they hey were very
welcoming. although I wanted to bolt.  As to whether you are a "real"
alcoholic, that's up to you. Go and listen, check out the Big Book,
maybe get a sponsor, and you will find out for yourself whether or not
you are alcoholic.

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 More options May 9 2007, 9:16 am
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From: Grace <graceh...@spiritone.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 16:16:52 -0700
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Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

And if they do, tell them its your business to make that decision.
Chances are, they won't though.

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 More options May 9 2007, 9:17 am
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From: "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:17:54 GMT
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 9:17 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

The vast majority of alcohol abusers start out with a much higher than
average tolerance for alcohol than the average person.  Over time that
tolerance gradually dissipates until at some point you lose your
tolerance altogether. It is crucial to understand that once you reach
that point you *never* get your tolerance back.  It is gone.

This seems to be extremely difficult for most to grasp, especially as it
is happening.  This no doubt is part of the reason for the millions of
well documented examples of having to hit bottom and surrender the
notion once and for all that you can drink without guaranteed negative
consequences of one sort or another.

Generally, as you progressively lose your tolerance your drinking will
cause progressively more problems in progressively more areas of your
life.  The big question becomes how much trouble will it take before one
makes the decision that life without alcohol is the only sensible approach.


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 More options May 9 2007, 9:25 am
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From: "Srgnt Billko" <f...@blipl.net>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 23:25:00 GMT
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

<newpers...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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Just on the chance that this is an honest post - please don't go alone.
Call local AA (in almost all phone books) and ask for someone to go with you
and show you the ropes.  There are usually lots of guys and gals chompin at
the bit for a request like that - it will help them stay sober.

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Ron G  
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 More options May 9 2007, 9:53 am
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From: "Ron G" <r...@network12.com>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:53:26 -0400
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 9:53 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

<newpers...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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The issue is not normally how much you drink, but what happens to you when
you drink. Not knowing how familiar you are with AA, here's a website that
has a little 20 question test that will give you some thoughts about your
drinking. Many people here have already addressed your post with good advice
as to what to expect at an AA meeting. I stopped drinking so many times that
I can't even possibly remember, but until I got into AA, I never was able to
stay stopped. AA helped me to learn how to stay stopped and to enjoy my life
with having to have a drink. If you are an alcoholic, and only you can
really decide, the sooner you can get help to learn to live without booze in
your life the easier it is. You don't have to go all the way into the gutter
and loose everything and everybody in your life to learn how to quit
drinking. You will find AA to be a great way to make that start.

Let us know your progress.

RonG


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Ron G  
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 More options May 9 2007, 10:04 am
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From: "Ron G" <r...@network12.com>
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 20:04:38 -0400
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 10:04 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

<newpers...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> On 8 May, 22:58, "Ron G" <r...@network12.com> wrote:
>> <newpers...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> I usually drink heavily fri-sat (8-10 strong beers) each night, then
> one night a week occasionally.  I know it might not sound a lot but
> the problem is I cant stop for more than a few weeks.

Opps! Forgot the link to the 20 question website.

http://www.soberplace.com/20questions/

RonG


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 More options May 9 2007, 12:08 pm
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From: Virtualoso <u...@no.com>
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 19:08:42 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 12:08 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
In article <1178660203.183594.198...@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,

If someone sees you at a meeting, they're there, too.

Why "at least once a week"?

I'd suggest you just go to one.


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 More options May 9 2007, 12:13 pm
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Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 19:13:52 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
In article <f1r0dg12...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Grace

Or decide you ARE a binge drinker and not an alky! Nothing "wrong" with
that, if that's the case. But a meeting can help clarify which is
which.

Possibly even better, though, is to get the book "Alcoholics
Anonymous". You can pick these up cheap at used bookstores and the
like. Folks are always buying these for other people, so you needn't
even feel awkward about buy it.

Give it a good read, doesnj't take long. And see what you think. That's
what it's for.


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Robert McGregor  
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 More options May 9 2007, 8:15 am
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From: Robert McGregor <r...@sixtythree.com>
Date: 08 May 2007 22:15:18 GMT
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 8:15 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

Have you tried Moderation Management?
http://www.moderation.org/whatisMM.shtml

--
Bob.

"I don't believe in evil, I believe in right and wrong, and very often
they are the same thing" ... Paul Theroux - "Milroy The Magician"


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 More options May 9 2007, 12:17 pm
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Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 19:17:54 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
In article <Cy70i.8371$Q96.6730@trnddc04>, F.H. <connec...@verizon.net>
wrote:

But, Frank... this guy's gone 15 YEARS and *still* doesn't blow it on
Sunday night. I'm afraid my hat's off to him!

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 More options May 9 2007, 12:32 pm
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Date: 8 May 2007 19:32:43 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 12:32 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
On May 8, 10:13 pm, Virtualoso <u...@no.com> wrote:

Good point, Virt.

Here's a link - http://anonpress.org/bb/  Read it online between
posts.

JimB


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 More options May 9 2007, 5:04 pm
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From: newpers...@gmail.com
Date: 9 May 2007 00:04:21 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 5:04 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
On 9 May, 03:32, JimB <jimbuckl...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
  First, thanks for all the replies esp. Rob D.  I've looked at a few
different Alcoholic questionnaire's and I always answer enough to put
me in that category. I am male have a young family and want to have a
happy life with them.  My problem is that I feel like crap most of the
weekend (hungover) and not until wed/thursday do I feel back to my
real self, but at that stage i want to get a drink on (hard week at
work so I deserve one etc).  I know im not hitting bottom or
destroying my life but in the past it has.  I feel like I've kinda
made a deal with booze that ill give it weekends and football matches
if it doesn't engulf me.

I was worried about people not going to the meeting seeing me, but hey
no point worrying.

Thanks again everyone.


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Kai R  
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 More options May 9 2007, 6:48 pm
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From: Kai R <kai.ruu...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:48:51 +0200
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
Tim and Lisa kirjoitti:

> Everydays Friday! ;o)

I used to drink only on days that start with a letter T. Those would be
Tuesday, Thursday and Today.

--
Kai


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Rob D.  
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 More options May 9 2007, 9:23 pm
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From: "Rob D." <fr.robert....@gmail.com>
Date: 9 May 2007 04:23:29 -0700
Local: Wed, May 9 2007 9:23 pm
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
On May 9, 2:04 am, newpers...@gmail.com wrote:

>  I know im not hitting bottom or
> destroying my life but in the past it has.

Ah, but that's the beauty of recovery.  You can "hit bottom" when you
choose.

If you have reached the point where you have lost as much as you are
willing to lose, then you *have* hit bottom.  You don't have to go to
jail on a dui/dwi, you don't have to kill someone, you don't have to
go through the multiple divorces, you don't have to endure your
daughter trying to get you sober when she should be playing with
Barbie dolls (or Lego, to not be sexist).

You don't *have* to do any of those things now.   Like the AA program,
it is *all* voluntary.  All depends on what *you* want.

> I feel like I've kinda
> made a deal with booze that ill give it weekends and football >matches if it doesn't engulf me.

I thought I was the only one who kind of personalized alcohol in this
way. (Although there is that brilliant passage in the BB: "
As we became subjects of King Alcohol, shivering denizens of his mad
realm, the chilling vapor that is loneliness settled down.")

I can still remember the popular song the last week I was trying to
not drink anymore, and beginning to have a little success at grasping
the program:

"Just in case you ever change your mind,
If you suddenly decide to give me one more try,
I'll be waiting in the wings, just looking for a sign,
Just in case you change your mind!"

While the singer is *supposed* to be a jilted girlfriend, it's obvious
that a personified alcohol could sing those lyrics as well.

Hope things go well for you at the meetings. And I hope you'll keep us
posted here as to how all is going.

Rob


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Tim and Lisa  
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 More options May 10 2007, 1:41 am
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From: "Tim and Lisa" <tworkm...@socal.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 08:41:42 -0700
Local: Thurs, May 10 2007 1:41 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA

"Kai R" <kai.ruu...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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> Tim and Lisa kirjoitti:

>> Everydays Friday! ;o)

> I used to drink only on days that start with a letter T. Those would be
> Tuesday, Thursday and Today.

> --
> Kai

...and Tomorrow! ;o)

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Charlie M. 1958  
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 More options May 10 2007, 1:46 am
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From: "Charlie M. 1958" <charlesmarsh...@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 10:46:02 -0500
Local: Thurs, May 10 2007 1:46 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
Tim and Lisa wrote:
> "Kai R" <kai.ruu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:5adg7jF2ok8r1U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Tim and Lisa kirjoitti:

>>> Everydays Friday! ;o)
>> I used to drink only on days that start with a letter T. Those would be
>> Tuesday, Thursday and Today.

>> --
>> Kai

> ...and Tomorrow! ;o)

And I never drank before noon. (But the wee hours of the morning lasted
til about 11:59 a.m.)

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OceanView  
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 More options May 10 2007, 6:44 am
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From: OceanView <m...@TheSea.com>
Date: 09 May 2007 20:44:41 GMT
Local: Thurs, May 10 2007 6:44 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
newpers...@gmail.com wrote in news:1178660203.183594.198220
@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

Welcome!  You drink very much like I did, almost exactly actually.  I
thought I was headed toward being an alcoholic, so I quit, only yo discvoer
that I already WAS an alcohlic.  As they say, normal non-alcoholic people
don't sit around wondering if they're alcoholic, don't *try* to go two
weeks without drinking and don't generally count their drinks (some might
do one or two of there things, but not all).

If someone see's you, they're probably an alcoholic too!  Go to a
neighboring towm. That's what I did at first. The joke is that by the time
I quit, I'd list most of my friends and my neighbors hated me, so nobody
would have given a shit anyway!


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OceanView  
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 More options May 10 2007, 6:54 am
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From: OceanView <m...@TheSea.com>
Date: 09 May 2007 20:54:46 GMT
Local: Thurs, May 10 2007 6:54 am
Subject: Re: Want to start going to AA
"Srgnt Billko" <f...@blipl.net> wrote in
news:gF70i.6$yM2.4@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

Hard to find a true 12th step call anymore!  I had one a few months ago,
but I couldn't get to him with all the layers of security at the treament
center. He was supposed to leave a pass but didn't. Never found out what
happened to him.

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