Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or linux, for very old lappies.
In message <734eb25c-4253-4b32-9707-a0a14b352...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroup s.com>, NT <meow2...@care2.com> writes
>Hi
>Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >linux, for very old lappies.
>Thanks, NT
There is the picture viewer that will run a slide show. I know it is on top of windows but speed will not be an issue as I assume you will want a cycle time of >30 Seconds
Running it on bare metal is far more difficult .
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Chris H wrote: > In message <734eb25c-4253-4b32-9707-a0a14b352...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroup > s.com>, NT <meow2...@care2.com> writes >> Hi
>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >> linux, for very old lappies.
>> Thanks, NT
> There is the picture viewer that will run a slide show. I know it is on > top of windows but speed will not be an issue as I assume you will want > a cycle time of >30 Seconds
> Running it on bare metal is far more difficult .
philo wrote: > Chris H wrote: >> In message <734eb25c-4253-4b32-9707-a0a14b352...@d21g2000yqn.googlegroup >> s.com>, NT <meow2...@care2.com> writes >>> Hi
>>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >>> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >>> linux, for very old lappies.
>>> Thanks, NT
>> There is the picture viewer that will run a slide show. I know it is on >> top of windows but speed will not be an issue as I assume you will want >> a cycle time of >30 Seconds
>> Running it on bare metal is far more difficult .
someone wrote: > On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:58:27 -0800, NT wrote: > > Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture > > frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or > > linux, for very old lappies. > Why waste your time when you can get one that is designed to be a digital > picture frame for around $35? Throw the laptop in the trash and you'll be > much happier!
Yes, I have the choice between putting a program on a cd and having a 10" screen, and repeating the trick, or buying a 7" digiframe for 30 quid. I dont currently make £30 per 5 minutes = £360/hr, so why would I do the latter?
> someone wrote: >> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 09:58:27 -0800, NT wrote: >> > Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >> > frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >> > linux, for very old lappies.
>> Why waste your time when you can get one that is designed to be a digital >> picture frame for around $35? Throw the laptop in the trash and you'll >> be >> much happier!
> Yes, I have the choice between putting a program on a cd and having a > 10" screen, and repeating the trick, or buying a 7" digiframe for 30 > quid. I dont currently make £30 per 5 minutes = £360/hr, so why would > I do the latter?
You could EBay the laptop. It's not going to cost you anything to do that and if it does sell you can use the money to buy a digital frame.
Would you rather have a big clunky POS screwing the Feng-shui or see it put to good use and replace it with something more pleasing?
C'mon, there's careful and just plain fucking chiselling.
NT wrote: > Yes, I have the choice between putting a program on a cd and having a > 10" screen, and repeating the trick, or buying a 7" digiframe for 30 > quid. I dont currently make £30 per 5 minutes = £360/hr, so why would > I do the latter?
> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture > frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or > linux, for very old lappies.
> Thanks, NT
The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and guess where your operating system is ?
Windows screen saver will do the job for you. It can be set to show pics in any folder.
>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >> linux, for very old lappies.
> The answer is NO application can run without Operator System.
Yes it can. Many millions do every day. However in this case it is pointless to do what he is attempting.
> The closest >you can get is getting a Digital Frame which has built-in its own OS to >display photo without using help of normal OS.
Some have built in OS. The majority of computers don't
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>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >> linux, for very old lappies.
>> Thanks, NT
>The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system
Yes you can.. Though in this case it is pointless.
>Windows screen saver will do the job for you. It can be set to show pics in >any folder.
Also the preview program... not looked to see if either will do it with sound.
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> > Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture > > frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or > > linux, for very old lappies.
> > Thanks, NT
> The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and > guess where your operating system is ?
I was looking for software that contains minimal OS and app in one piece, just like for example memtest86 does. I'm surprised some people didn't grasp that.
There are so many old laptops around I'd be surprised if no-one has written such an app.
Yes I could ebay the laptops, but I've zero interest in doing so, and ditto in spending 3 figures for less hardware than I already have.
>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >> linux, for very old lappies.
>> Thanks, NT
> The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and > guess where your operating system is ?
I used to write all sorts of embedded s/w that used no o/s other than support elements I wrote for it or re-used from other code.
>>> Hi >>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >>> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >>> linux, for very old lappies. >>> Thanks, NT >> The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and >> guess where your operating system is ?
> I was looking for software that contains minimal OS and app in one > piece, just like for example memtest86 does. I'm surprised some people > didn't grasp that.
> There are so many old laptops around I'd be surprised if no-one has > written such an app.
> Yes I could ebay the laptops, but I've zero interest in doing so, and > ditto in spending 3 figures for less hardware than I already have.
> NT
I did on 2nd reading that's why I gave you a link to a dos-based app.
there does have to be at least some minimal OS installed.
OTOH: Since you are just in need of a slide show... no problem running Windows as you will be using just one light application.
If you like transitions...the first link I gave you will give you a nice slide show and nice transitions
I gave a friend of mine an old P-1 laptop that he uses for just that
> > I was looking for software that contains minimal OS and app in one > > piece, just like for example memtest86 does. I'm surprised some people > > didn't grasp that.
> > There are so many old laptops around I'd be surprised if no-one has > > written such an app.
> > Yes I could ebay the laptops, but I've zero interest in doing so, and > > ditto in spending 3 figures for less hardware than I already have.
> > NT
> I did on 2nd reading that's why I gave you a link to a dos-based app.
> there does have to be at least some minimal OS installed.
> OTOH: Since you are just in need of a slide show... > no problem running Windows as you will be using just one light application.
> If you like transitions...the first link I gave you will > give you a nice slide show and nice transitions
> I gave a friend of mine an old P-1 laptop that he uses for just that
I think there may be a communication shortfall somewhere here. I'm aware that in principle I could run all sorts of things atop win 95/3.1/etc, but I specifically am looking for an app/os that will boot from cd (or possibly floppy). I'm certainly not willing to do the work to make a portable win install, or to try and get the machines running windows. DOS is portable enough, but that means an external device to run both cd and flop at same time. Its just not what I'm looking for.
Unfortunately none of these old machines can run a linux live desktop OS cd.
> I think there may be a communication shortfall somewhere here. I'm > aware that in principle I could run all sorts of things atop win > 95/3.1/etc, but I specifically am looking for an app/os that will boot > from cd (or possibly floppy). I'm certainly not willing to do the work > to make a portable win install, or to try and get the machines running > windows. DOS is portable enough, but that means an external device to > run both cd and flop at same time. Its just not what I'm looking for.
> Unfortunately none of these old machines can run a linux live desktop > OS cd.
You don't want to spend money. You don't want to spend time. You don't want to EBay the laptop. You don't want to buy a digital frame. Now, this laptop doesn't have a fucking hard disc.
GET A FUCKING GRIP.
Create a bootable FreeDOS CD, or just EBay the damn thing and buy a digital frame you prick. Accept you've got to make some effort or toss the sodding because you can't lump a lump of shit into a gold brick.
>>>>> Hi >>>>> Is there an app that can turn an old laptop into a digital picture >>>>> frame? I mean a standalone app, not something that runs atop win or >>>>> linux, for very old lappies. >>>>> Thanks, NT >>>> The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and >>>> guess where your operating system is ? >>> I was looking for software that contains minimal OS and app in one >>> piece, just like for example memtest86 does. I'm surprised some people >>> didn't grasp that. >>> There are so many old laptops around I'd be surprised if no-one has >>> written such an app. >>> Yes I could ebay the laptops, but I've zero interest in doing so, and >>> ditto in spending 3 figures for less hardware than I already have. >>> NT >> I did on 2nd reading that's why I gave you a link to a dos-based app.
>> there does have to be at least some minimal OS installed.
>> OTOH: Since you are just in need of a slide show... >> no problem running Windows as you will be using just one light application.
>> If you like transitions...the first link I gave you will >> give you a nice slide show and nice transitions
>> I gave a friend of mine an old P-1 laptop that he uses for just that
> I think there may be a communication shortfall somewhere here. I'm > aware that in principle I could run all sorts of things atop win > 95/3.1/etc, but I specifically am looking for an app/os that will boot > from cd (or possibly floppy). I'm certainly not willing to do the work > to make a portable win install, or to try and get the machines running > windows. DOS is portable enough, but that means an external device to > run both cd and flop at same time. Its just not what I'm looking for.
> Unfortunately none of these old machines can run a linux live desktop > OS cd.
> NT
I think you missed the point.
Everyone here in fact *does* understand your question... but to run an application you will need some type of operating system.
Some apps will run on a minimal version of DOS... which consists of *three* files.
In message <0ZudndE53vQ7pmTXnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@ntd.net>, philo <ph...@privacy.net> writes
>I think you missed the point.
>Everyone here in fact *does* understand your question... >but to run an application you will need some type of operating system.
NO YOU NO NOT!!! You do NOT need any OS to run a program on a PC. You just have to write the program to run without one... It's not difficult.
>Some apps will run on a minimal version of DOS... >which consists of *three* files.
And some run with no OS at all....
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So you wrote a minimal OS that was embedded into your (embedded) software ... which is a good idea if you have non-changing hardware with all needed specs and limited computing or battery capacity.
We can assume that the usual laptop will have a different hardware from the next model (and too often even within the same model) and little specs publically available, but lots of computing capability.
NT <meow2...@care2.com> wrote: > I was looking for software that contains minimal OS and app in one > piece, just like for example memtest86 does.
Memtest86 does one (from the view of accessing hardware) very simple, minimal thing, and doesn't talk to the hundreds of different graphics drivers found in notebooks.
> There are so many old laptops around I'd be surprised if no-one has > written such an app.
Linux ia available, there are dozens of dozens mini-distributions that fit on one or two floppies and many more that work from CD. Why should one do tons of work to produce a buggy, limited app that has little, if any, advantage over a trimmed down linux kernel, (maybe also X) and any image showing app?
> ditto in spending 3 figures for less hardware than I already have.
Well, you laptop draws way more power than an image viewer.
However, if you insist, you could write the app you want yourself --- all the building blocks are there, their source code is there, you are even allowed to use the source code ...
>>> The answer is no. You can't run a program without an operating system and >>> guess where your operating system is ?
>> I used to write all sorts of embedded s/w that used no o/s other than >> support elements I wrote for it or re-used from other code.
>So you wrote a minimal OS that was embedded into your (embedded) >software ...
I doubt it. Most applications in the embedded world have no OS at all.
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>> > You do NOT need any OS to run a program on a PC. You >> > just have to write the program to run without one... It's not difficult.
>> So what language would you recomend for this task ?
> Hahaha it sounds like English is the language of choice. Application >without Operating System probably wins the JOKE of 2009.
Keep digging a hole. Most of our customers write applications to run without an OS.
Over the last 30 years only a few of my apps have ever run on an OR or RTOS.
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>> You do NOT need any OS to run a program on a PC. You >> just have to write the program to run without one... It's not difficult.
>So what language would you recomend for this task ?
C (Usually MISRA-C)
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Chris H <ch...@phaedsys.org> wrote: > In message <bb3ps6-re5....@ID-52418.user.berlin.de>, Wolfgang > Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@sneakemail.com> writes >>Alan Browne <alan.bro...@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote: >>> I used to write all sorts of embedded s/w that used no o/s other than >>> support elements I wrote for it or re-used from other code. >>So you wrote a minimal OS that was embedded into your (embedded) >>software ... > I doubt it. Most applications in the embedded world have no OS at all.
You misunderstand on purpose what these "support elements", especially the ones re-used from other code are in spirit, though not in name. Alternatively, you don't fully grasp the idea of what an OS is and does and didn't read the important "no o/s *other* *than*" part.
Chris H wrote: > In message <0ZudndE53vQ7pmTXnZ2dnUVZ_gudn...@ntd.net>, philo > <ph...@privacy.net> writes >> I think you missed the point.
>> Everyone here in fact *does* understand your question... >> but to run an application you will need some type of operating system.
> NO YOU NO NOT!!! You do NOT need any OS to run a program on a PC. You > just have to write the program to run without one... It's not difficult.
>> Some apps will run on a minimal version of DOS... >> which consists of *three* files.
> And some run with no OS at all....
you need some type of OS (though minimal of course) or your machine will not boot up.
Even if you have an application with all the code built in to include the boot loader, i/o configuration and possibly memory management... it's still an operating system.
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