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Charles E Hardwidge  
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 More options Nov 7, 10:38 am
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From: "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:38:58 GMT
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 10:38 am
Subject: White Balance and RAW Convertors
I've been having a play with the G9 and seeing how the image comes out with
different white balance settings and convertors. It's doing my head in.

Adobe standard profile is nice but the Canon profiles don't match what Canon
produces.

White balance is okay under tungsten but custom white balance with a white
card looks colder than seen by the eyeball.

So, what do people use and how do they process it to get pleasing results?

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tony cooper  
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 More options Nov 7, 12:13 pm
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From: tony cooper <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:13:42 -0500
Local: Sat, Nov 7 2009 12:13 pm
Subject: Re: White Balance and RAW Convertors
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:38:58 GMT, "Charles E Hardwidge"

<bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>I've been having a play with the G9 and seeing how the image comes out with
>different white balance settings and convertors. It's doing my head in.

>Adobe standard profile is nice but the Canon profiles don't match what Canon
>produces.

>White balance is okay under tungsten but custom white balance with a white
>card looks colder than seen by the eyeball.

>So, what do people use and how do they process it to get pleasing results?

Funny you should mention that.  I spent a couple of hours today
working in Lightroom on WB.  I took a series of shots setting the
camera incorrectly for the light, and then correcting it in Lightroom.

Finding a neutral point in an image is difficult.  I ended up with
better results just playing around with sliders until the image looks
like I want it to look.
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Robert Peirce  
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 More options Nov 8, 1:54 am
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From: Robert Peirce <b...@peirce-family.com.invalid>
Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 09:54:27 -0500
Local: Sun, Nov 8 2009 1:54 am
Subject: Re: White Balance and RAW Convertors
In article <ms2Jm.2418$Ym4.1...@text.news.virginmedia.com>,
 "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> I've been having a play with the G9 and seeing how the image comes out with
> different white balance settings and convertors. It's doing my head in.

> Adobe standard profile is nice but the Canon profiles don't match what Canon
> produces.

> White balance is okay under tungsten but custom white balance with a white
> card looks colder than seen by the eyeball.

> So, what do people use and how do they process it to get pleasing results?

I like to use a WhiBal card.  Then I click on it with a white balance
tool and everything adjusts correctly to the light.  You may still have
to do some fine-tuning, but you will be so close nobody who doesn't know
exactly what you saw will ever notice.

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Robert B. Peirce, Venetia, PA  724-941-6883
bob AT peirce-family.com [Mac]
rbp AT cooksonpeirce.com [Office]


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Marco Struck  
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 More options Nov 9, 10:48 pm
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From: "Marco Struck" <nickh.t...@web.de>
Date: 09 Nov 2009 11:48:07 GMT
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 10:48 pm
Subject: Re: White Balance and RAW Convertors

Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
> I've been having a play with the G9 and seeing how the image comes
> out with different white balance settings and convertors. It's doing
> my head in.

> Adobe standard profile is nice but the Canon profiles don't match
> what Canon produces.

> White balance is okay under tungsten but custom white balance with a
> white card looks colder than seen by the eyeball.

> So, what do people use and how do they process it to get pleasing
> results?

Hi,

Tony and Robert already told you the two most common and usable
possibilities, but be aware that white-balance doesn't mean clicking on
a white but a neutral grey point, since white points do not provide the
needed information to re-balance. So the WhiBal Card is a grey card. A
usual misunderstanding.

Using the slider to make the whibal most comfortable to yourself is a
good idea. For example: You can easily adjust a shot of a snow-white
landscape and go further just a little bit to the colder color-temp to
make the feeling a little colder to the viewer than it really was.

Greetings from Germany.

Marco.

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Charles E Hardwidge  
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 More options Nov 10, 7:18 am
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From: "Charles E Hardwidge" <bo...@invalid.invalid>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:18:00 GMT
Subject: Re: White Balance and RAW Convertors
"tony cooper" <tony_cooper...@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:18i9f5d3r47m0grc5l67ooi3udm60g7fr2@4ax.com...

There's two issues here: Software and white balance.

I'm juggling the differences between Lightroom and the native app. Adobe
standard profile is okay, but the Adobe Canon profiles are a bit off Canon's
native software and give a slight green cast under halogen light.

I'm finding it hard to figure white balance as seen under tungsten versus
what's created from a target. Maybe I'm a bozo but I prefer the "as seen"
versus what a "correct" image gives me (like in the example link).

Like yourself I've found getting white balance right is tough even with a
proper target but setting a custom in-camera white balance or dialing in the
hard numbers in post (or on camera where supported) is fine.

I get the idea of different film and light meters. The problem I've got is
feeling comfortable about different raw processing tools, and setting colour
temperature for "as seen" versus compensating for ambient light.

Noise is orthogonal to this topic but one comment I read summed up my view
that working within limits of the camera and its noise profile relative to
the scene and light conditions makes noise a relative non-issue.

Links:

http://www.photographybay.com/2008/08/12/colorright-review-custom-whi...

http://factoidz.com/guide-to-portrait-photography-step-three-understa...

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/805099

http://forums.adobe.com/message/2341150

http://thomaslesterphotography.com/photography/untwisted-adobe-camera...

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Charles E Hardwidge


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ray  
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 More options Nov 13, 2:26 pm
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From: ray <r...@zianet.com>
Date: 13 Nov 2009 03:26:51 GMT
Local: Fri, Nov 13 2009 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: White Balance and RAW Convertors

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 23:38:58 +0000, Charles E Hardwidge wrote:
> I've been having a play with the G9 and seeing how the image comes out
> with different white balance settings and convertors. It's doing my head
> in.

> Adobe standard profile is nice but the Canon profiles don't match what
> Canon produces.

> White balance is okay under tungsten but custom white balance with a
> white card looks colder than seen by the eyeball.

> So, what do people use and how do they process it to get pleasing
> results?

I use ufraw with the raw images from my P850. I have dug into the source
code with the help of info from the home web site and made a set of
custom white balance numbers completely customized to my camera.

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