On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 00:45:47 -0400, Peter D. <p...@g-node.com.au> wrote: > Could the first two or three people outside of Australia > please respond to this message.
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> I don't know who to blame - let alone how to fix it.
> There are two different ISPs, two different computers, and a > couple of different attempts to configure one of them.
> This message is being sent from Knode via Leafnode, allowing > Leafnode to generate the message-ID. UTC is 04:44 Sunday.
> Could the first two or three people outside of Australia > please respond to this message.
> Thank you.
Finally, upside down (Austria) ;-)
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> I don't know who to blame - let alone how to fix it.
> There are two different ISPs, two different computers, and a > couple of different attempts to configure one of them.
> This message is being sent from Knode via Leafnode, allowing > Leafnode to generate the message-ID. UTC is 04:44 Sunday.
> Could the first two or three people outside of Australia > please respond to this message.
This is bad. Google groups is working better than Usenet.
According to http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.os.linux.mandriva/browse_thread... There are eight posts in this thread, but it does not show my original. Imotgm, Blinky, David, Whiskers, Jim, Tony & Walter have responded. Usenet is only showing me three; my original, David's & Walter's.
The time line so far (response times not arrival times);
Sun 04:45 UTC (14:45 Melbourne) Posted original message. 04:55 UTC (23:55 in -5 timezone) First response, gg only. 05:04 UTC (??:04 in Los Angeles) gg only. 07:44 UTC (03:44 London, Ontario, Canada) This message got back to Melbourne late Sunday, about noon UTC 12:06 UTC (13:06 in +1 timezone) gg only. 13:06 UTC (??:06 in Virginia, USA) gg only. 13:18 UTC (14:18 BST Buckinghamshire, England) gg only, BUT 04:55 written in message. 10 min from Aus. to Eng. Eight hours to get from Buckinghamshire to Google? 18:55 UTC (20:55 Austria) This message got back to Melbourne early Monday Mon 01:30 UTC (11:30 Melbourne, Australia) Posting this summary.
Sorry if I have miscalculated any times.
Messages seem to be getting out of Australia quickly, but responses are not finding their way back.
This should be (at least) the ninth message in this thread how many do other people see?
Now the hard question. What do I do about it? Learn to love the gg interface? Who do I complain to?
Peter D. wrote: > This should be (at least) the ninth message in this thread how many > do other people see?
Nine here in Virginia, USA.
> Now the hard question. What do I do about it? Learn to love the > gg interface? Who do I complain to?
Those in the U.S. who have problems with USENET often subscribe to a German service. Independent.de ? Someone help me! The service used to be free (a university affiliate, I seem to remember), but now charges a modest fee. Worth taking a look at.
Cheers!
jim b.
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Peter D. wrote: > Now the hard question. What do I do about it? Learn to love the > gg interface? Who do I complain to?
I have only had internet access since late 1995, but I remember that in the past, Australia internet access for end users was limited by two things: limited undersea cable, and a monopoly on end-user telephony.
I have not been keeping close tabs on the situation, but I remember reading maybe seven years ago that a new undersea cable would be laid to improve Australia's internet connectivity. Dunno the status of end-user telephony, but I think I remember reading a few years ago that the situation is better now since Australia end users would not necessarily be charged by the minute for their dialup internet access.
I suggest complaining to your ISP or switching ISPs (if possible).
Jim Beard wrote: > Those in the U.S. who have problems with USENET often subscribe to > a German service. Independent.de ? Someone help me! > The service used to be free (a university affiliate, I seem to > remember), but now charges a modest fee. Worth taking a look at.
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:30:50 -0400, Peter D. <p...@g-node.com.au> wrote: > This is bad. Google groups is working better than Usenet.
I have the same problem, when I use the service setup by my isp, which they've outsourced to mci.com (aka uunet).
I'm using a free server from Germany, news.motzarella.org, which you can register for an account at http://www.motzarella.org
Regards, Dave Hodgins
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> There are eight posts in this thread, but it does not show my > original. Imotgm, Blinky, David, Whiskers, Jim, Tony & Walter have > responded. Usenet is only showing me three; my original, David's & > Walter's.
Now (monday morning here) I can see all 9 posts and followups, all of them transferred via
server = news.chello.at >>> my ISP server = news.readfreenews.net >>> this one on my leafnode config list server = geiz-ist-geil.priv.at server = news.grc.com server = news.gmane.org server = nntp.aioe.org
I can only suggest subscribing to a bunch of different news servers.
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Scott B. wrote: > Peter D. wrote: >> Now the hard question. What do I do about it? Learn to love the >> gg interface? Who do I complain to?
> I have only had internet access since late 1995, but I remember that > in the past, Australia internet access for end users was limited by > two things: limited undersea cable, and a monopoly on end-user > telephony.
A little Googling for world submarine cable map Australia shows a couple of cables running through Indonesia and then connecting into networks leading to Europe, plus (on the east) one cable running to Guam and from there either East or West with consequent worldwide connectivity, another running more-or-less direct to Hawaii and a third running via New Zealand to Hawaii, with the Hawaii connection yielding worldwide connectivity.
Telstra has announced a 1.2 terabit/second cable to Hawaii that will likely be completed in mid-2008. And there are satellite links that will carry data quite nicely, albeit with a fraction of a second delay each time you have to start up an new series of packets.
I don't think connectivity is currently a problem, though cost to the user or regulatory affairs may constrain things.
Cheers!
jim b.
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Jim Beard wrote: > A little Googling for world submarine cable map Australia shows a couple > of cables running through Indonesia and then connecting into networks > leading to Europe, plus (on the east) one cable running to Guam and from > there either East or West with consequent worldwide connectivity, > another running more-or-less direct to Hawaii and a third running via > New Zealand to Hawaii, with the Hawaii connection yielding worldwide > connectivity.
I googled for world submarine cable map Australia but I did not find satisfying results. Please provide some URLs. Thanks in advance.
> There are eight posts in this thread, but it does not show my > original. Imotgm, Blinky, David, Whiskers, Jim, Tony & Walter have > responded. Usenet is only showing me three; my original, David's & > Walter's.
[snip]
Jim's response to my original post has made it down under. A total of eight posts are visible to me via Usenet, gg says that there are 16.
When I get home I'll look to see what my ISP is up to. It looks like it is not purely an ISP problem. Maybe I will have to pay for Usenet separately.
The overall internet access to Aus. must have been upgraded many times since 1995, but I doubt that that is the problem. Somewhere not enough bandwidth or priority has been allocated to one or more news servers.
There is no longer a monopoly on telecommunications, so that is not the problem. Dial-up pay-by-the-minute accounts probably still exist, but I'm not using one.
Peter D. wrote: > Peter D. wrote: >> Peter D. wrote: > [snip] >>> Could the first two or three people outside of Australia >>> please respond to this message.
>> This is bad. Google groups is working better than Usenet.
>> According to
> http://groups.google.com.au/group/alt.os.linux.mandriva/browse_thread... >> There are eight posts in this thread, but it does not show my >> original. Imotgm, Blinky, David, Whiskers, Jim, Tony & Walter have >> responded. Usenet is only showing me three; my original, David's & >> Walter's. > [snip]
> Jim's response to my original post has made it down under. > A total of eight posts are visible to me via Usenet, gg says that > there are 16.
> When I get home I'll look to see what my ISP is up to. It looks > like it is not purely an ISP problem. Maybe I will have to pay for > Usenet separately.
ISP news feeds usually suck. I haven't depended on one in years.
If you don't need binaries, spend ten yooros or about 13 US clams a *year* and hook up with:
Scott B. wrote: > Jim Beard wrote: >> A little Googling for world submarine cable map Australia shows a couple >> of cables running through Indonesia and then connecting into networks >> leading to Europe, plus (on the east) one cable running to Guam and from >> there either East or West with consequent worldwide connectivity, >> another running more-or-less direct to Hawaii and a third running via >> New Zealand to Hawaii, with the Hawaii connection yielding worldwide >> connectivity.
> I googled for > world submarine cable map Australia > but I did not find satisfying results. Please provide some URLs. > Thanks in advance.
Start with this one, the fourth item returned by Google when I searched.
on Monday 02 July 2007 13:04 in the Usenet newsgroup alt.os.linux.mandriva
David W. Hodgins wrote: > On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:30:50 -0400, Peter D. <p...@g-node.com.au> wrote:
>> This is bad. Google groups is working better than Usenet.
> I have the same problem, when I use the service setup by my > isp, which they've outsourced to mci.com (aka uunet).
> I'm using a free server from Germany, news.motzarella.org, which > you can register for an account at http://www.motzarella.org
I'm home. My ISP has not sorted itself out. It also had (has?) a problem with mail. <grumble> I have subscribed to Motzarella. Everything that has made it through to gg seems to have made it to Motzarella.
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:41:33 -0400, Peter D. <p...@live.home.invalid> wrote: > I'm home. My ISP has not sorted itself out. It also had (has?) > a problem with mail. <grumble> I have subscribed to Motzarella. > Everything that has made it through to gg seems to have made it > to Motzarella.
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