Whoīs William? Hey, according to Janet, Rainbow has sold 20 copies since its release. Not much in the way of credibility, huh? At least we now all agree that it has sold less than 3 million copies - a victory for the "trolls". I would go as far as to say that it hasnīt sold much more than 2 million copies, and that is based on observing other albums that were released at around the same time. It will be a long, long time before it actually deserves that 3x certification, let alone a 4x one. Thereīs no way it could sell a million copies before the end of July, since itīs not even in the Top 100.
No flaming, please, letīs try and discuss the matter like civilised adults.
Love to all,
janine
PS. I can actually remember some Mariah fans making fun of Celineīs album debuting at #3... still a Top 40 album. Certified 6x platinum, by the way.
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Well peeps (especially MovieAmi).......here are the actual sales for Rainbow:
2,8 million!!!!!
I found it on the mariah carey arhives: RAINBOW SALES FIGURES
Yesterday I told you that Rainbow sold 2.118.213 copies as of the first of February, 2000. According to William, Rainbow sold 2.8 million copies since it's release. He thinks that, if Rainbow follows the other albums of Mariah, then it will be 4x platinum by the end of July. Let's hope so.
>I found it on the mariah carey arhives: >RAINBOW SALES FIGURES
Please send me the URL
> Yesterday I told you that Rainbow sold 2.118.213 copies as of the first of >February, 2000.
Sounds good. Then it's been averaging about 14,000 per week. 14,000 times about 14 weeks equals only 200,000 copies. It has not picked up much since February, so those numbers are liberal. I have email Fred Bronson at Billboard for specific sales numbers, so hopefully he will post it at Billboard.
> He thinks that, if Rainbow follows the other albums of Mariah, >then it will be 4x platinum by the end of July
Only if Sony overcertifies it by another 1 million. It will NOT sell one million for at LEASE another two years, even if she kept up at a steady rate of about 10,000 per week. Most catalog albums like Mariah's (even Madonna's) don't sell near 10,000 per week after dropping off the Top 200. So, let's say she DOES sell 10,000 a week for 2 years (which is TOTALLY improbable.) From now until then, that's 104 weeks, it will have sold 1,040,000, therefore earning another certification. But, like most catalog albums, Mariah will be lucky to sell 1,000 copies of Rainbow per week. As we speak she is only selling 10,000 copies per week, so her rise up the charts right now isn't likely. The album has run its course. It has ONLY sold no more than 2.3 million. It still has yet to justify its 3 million certification. It will probably take another year for that to be fulfilled!
> Let's hope so.
Sony would be really stupid to overcertify it. BUt, hey, it's a normal practice for them.
> Well peeps (especially MovieAmi).......here are the actual sales for > Rainbow:
> 2,8 million!!!!!
> I found it on the mariah carey arhives: > RAINBOW SALES FIGURES
> Yesterday I told you that Rainbow sold 2.118.213 copies as of the first of > February, 2000. According to William, Rainbow sold 2.8 million copies since > it's release. He thinks that, if Rainbow follows the other albums of Mariah, > then it will be 4x platinum by the end of July. Let's hope so.
> Well peeps (especially MovieAmi).......here are the actual sales for > Rainbow:
> 2,8 million!!!!!
> I found it on the mariah carey arhives: > RAINBOW SALES FIGURES
> Yesterday I told you that Rainbow sold 2.118.213 copies as of the first of > February, 2000. According to William, Rainbow sold 2.8 million copies since > it's release. He thinks that, if Rainbow follows the other albums of Mariah, > then it will be 4x platinum by the end of July. Let's hope so.
<giggi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8gll1k$u1o$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > Great news, in merely 6 months she did that! Madonna cant do the same > too bad huhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhu....
> hahahahahahahahahaha Madonna is a now a flopper too!
> In article <H3iX4.1969$y%3.39...@amoeba1.srv.nld.sonera.net>, > "Timbaland" <986...@sepa.tudelft.nl> wrote: > > Well peeps (especially MovieAmi).......here are the actual sales for > > Rainbow:
> > 2,8 million!!!!!
> > I found it on the mariah carey arhives: > > RAINBOW SALES FIGURES
> > Yesterday I told you that Rainbow sold 2.118.213 copies as of the > first of > > February, 2000. According to William, Rainbow sold 2.8 million copies > since > > it's release. He thinks that, if Rainbow follows the other albums of > Mariah, > > then it will be 4x platinum by the end of July. Let's hope so.
rainbow has just made the 2 mill line w/ rainbow Giggi. sorry you poor fat phillipino girl with acne. ROL sold 4 mill in 8 months..awwww does that hurt your feelings? )*=
Madonna a flopper? My goodness can you please explain this for me? Oh yeah! Your proably going to mention "nothing really matters"... a single that was released 4 months after the song was out! Then "beautiful stranger" came out and got #19 on airplay alone!
> >I should mention "Heartbreaker" reached #16 with airplay alone. It was #8 on > >the airplay charts.
> They're on the separated singles charts! It reached number 8 on the top 40 > airplay. Madonna's Beautiful Stranger reached #19 on the hot 100!
Let's see... correct me if I'm wrong. Thomas said that Heartbreaker reached #16 on Billboard Hot 100 with airplay alone, right? And, MovieAmi, you are saying that Beautiful Stranger reached #19 on the Hot 100. OK, now, let's anaylze. You and Joker both agreed that BS reached #19. The only different between your statements is that Joker said it was all by airplay, and you simply said it reached that place. Let's assume you implied that BS reached #19 with both airplay and sale. Either way, in your or Joker's case, BS's achievement is less than that of Heartbreaker, because Heartbreaker reached #16 with airplay only, and BS reached #19 with airplay only or with both airplay and sale.
I don't really care if Heartbreaker or BS made it higher with airplay only. It's just the fact that your pointless bashing of MC is getting to be so ridiculous that I think someone needs to knock your head in attempt to wake you up once in a while.
>Let's see... correct me if I'm wrong. Thomas said that Heartbreaker reached >#16 on Billboard Hot 100 with airplay alone, right? And, MovieAmi, you are >saying that Beautiful Stranger reached #19 on the Hot 100. OK, now, let's >anaylze. You and Joker both agreed that BS reached #19. The only different >between your statements is that Joker said it was all by airplay, and you >simply said it reached that place. Let's assume you implied that BS reached >#19 with both airplay and sale. Either way, in your or Joker's case, BS's >achievement is less than that of Heartbreaker, because Heartbreaker reached >#16 with airplay only, and BS reached #19 with airplay only or with both >airplay and sale.
>I don't really care if Heartbreaker or BS made it higher with airplay only. >It's just the fact that your pointless bashing of MC is getting to be so >ridiculous that I think someone needs to knock your head in attempt to wake >you up once in a while.
MovieAmi wrote: >The album has run its course. It has ONLY sold no more than 2.3 million.
It still has >yet to justify its 3 million certification. It will probably take another year for that to be >fulfilled!
Don't count MARIAH out just yet. SHE is only on HER third single... so it's release could always help spur sales. It's true that Rainbow is currently selling 10,000 copies a week in the U.S... but your estimate of 2.3 million copies sold in total is NOT correct. MARIAH has actually sold 2.8 million copies (in just 7 months) and WILL surely surpass the 3 million mark before the year is up. That is quite fantastic for an album that was put together in just 3 months! I know for a fact that Rainbow sold 2 million of it's copies by the10th week of it's release because I was personally tracking the sales of this album myself using officially released soundscan figures. (Feel free to look it up!) So with that said, it's not hard to believe that the remaining 800,000 copies were sold over the last 18 weeks. Do keep in mind that the album was released prior to Christmas... so that definitely helped sales as well.
> Sony would be really stupid to overcertify it. BUt, hey, it's a normal
practice for them
Those scoundrels at Sony!! Always cheating on MARIAH'S behalf! Now it makes perfect sense why SHE'D want to get out of a contract with a company that goes out of it's way to make HER look good by buying HER #1's and over-certifying HER albums. <eyes rolling> /mariahmania/.
I keep hearing that Mariah is trying to get rid of Sony- why so? Just wants more money? Creative control? What?
It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony label just hint at creativity. Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back. Most "groundbreaking artists" aren't on the Sony label. Think about it. Of course Mariah would want more money, but that's part of it.
I doubt Tommy is helping the situation.
"They Say Anything They Want To Say Try To Break Me Down, But I Won't Face The Ground, I Will Rise Steadily, Sailing Out Of Their Reach...." -Mariah
> Janine writes: > I keep hearing that Mariah is trying to get rid of Sony- why so? Just > wants more money? Creative control? What?
> It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony > label just hint at creativity. > Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back. Most > "groundbreaking artists" aren't on the Sony label. Think about it. > Of course Mariah would want more money, but that's part of it.
> I doubt Tommy is helping the situation.
> "They Say Anything They Want To Say > Try To Break Me Down, But I Won't Face The Ground, > I Will Rise Steadily, > Sailing Out Of Their Reach...." -Mariah
Just for the record I want to say that I would really like to see mariah carey get more creative control. Maybe then I wouldn't be able to bitch about her music sounding the same all the time. I'm not going to sit here and say that I don't think Mariah Carey has talent, becuase she does. It just really saddens me that she never tries anything new. I'm sorry, but everything since Daydream just sounds the same to me and thats why I've never purchased Rainbow. Mariah Carey is the type of artist that could really change things in todays music scene, but she just hasn't. The main reason I am so fond of Madonna is because she is constantly changing, and continuously pushing musical boundries. Madonna rarely does the same thing twice, and that is one of the main factors that have kept her on top.
> Janine writes: > I keep hearing that Mariah is trying to get rid of Sony- why so? Just > wants more money? Creative control? What?
> It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony > label just hint at creativity. > Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back. Most > "groundbreaking artists" aren't on the Sony label. Think about it. > Of course Mariah would want more money, but that's part of it.
> I doubt Tommy is helping the situation.
> "They Say Anything They Want To Say > Try To Break Me Down, But I Won't Face The Ground, > I Will Rise Steadily, > Sailing Out Of Their Reach...." -Mariah
>It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony >label just hint at creativity. >Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back.
Yeah right. For a woman who (I will admit) has been so successful to a label, I'm sure she has plenty of power to be creative. However, I know that she feels she has to continue churning shit after shit. Mariah knows what she is doing. She wants more number ones. It's a formula. Let's go all the way back to the (near) beginning.
1993-Mariah releases "Music Box," which contains R&B pop producer Babyface, very popular at the time.
1995-Mariah releases "Daydream", containing Fantasy which has a solo by ODB, from HipHop group of the moment Wu-Tang.
1997-Mariah releases "Butterfly", which contains "Honey," a song that prominantly features rapper of the moment Puff Daddy (I'll Be Missing You had just been released).
1999-Mariah releases "Rainbow," an album that contains "Heartbreaker" which features a solo by rapper of the moment (biggest rap album of 1999-2000) Jay-Z.
See? I wonder who'll be on her next album. SHE doesn't decide who to work with. She's too much of a bitch to take that shit. She has total creative control and don't say she doesn't. Her creativity just isn't very creative.
>Yeah right. For a woman who (I will admit) has been so successful to a label, >I'm sure she has plenty of power to be creative.
Which is why during Fantasy her record company was against it.
However, I know that she
>feels she has to continue churning shit after shit.
Do you know Mariah personally? You're making this too easy.
Mariah knows what she is
>doing. She wants more number ones. It's a formula. Let's go all the way >back >to the (near) beginning.
>1993-Mariah releases "Music Box," which contains R&B pop producer Babyface, >very popular at the time.
Oh. You're last three all involve rappers. Is Babyface a rapper? He was a very popular producer at the time, Mariah wasn't the first, nor the last to work with him. She worked with Walter for her first 4 studio albums. What's your point? Whitney has worked w/ Babyface, as has Toni, and a whole other bunch of artists. Mariah even helped him by singing back up on Everytime I Close My Eyes. She last worked with him on When You Believe, and his popularity had gone south at that point.
>1995-Mariah releases "Daydream", containing Fantasy which has a solo by ODB, >from HipHop group of the moment Wu-Tang.
Puhleeze. You act as if you know her. That was one of the first (I believe it was the first even) times that Mariah worked with a rapper. Did you want her to choose some no-name? She also worked with Da Brat on ABMB, and she has never been HUGELY popular.
>1997-Mariah releases "Butterfly", which contains "Honey," a song that >prominantly features rapper of the moment Puff Daddy (I'll Be Missing You had >just been released).
GASP! She also worked with him pre-PUFFY the rapper in 1996 with Fantasy on Daydream before people even knew who he was!
>1999-Mariah releases "Rainbow," an album that contains "Heartbreaker" which >features a solo by rapper of the moment (biggest rap album of 1999-2000) >Jay-Z.
Oh puhleeze. She also had work featuring Joe (and he was HUGELY popular at the time, as if), and she worked with JD too... You gave four examples, which don't hold up very strongly.
>See? I wonder who'll be on her next album. SHE doesn't decide who to work >with. She's too much of a bitch to take that shit. She has total creative >control and don't say she doesn't. Her creativity just isn't very creative.
Are you her brother? Personal assistant? Cause you two seem to connected since you KNOW her. So many assumptions, so little facts.
> >Yeah right. For a woman who (I will admit) has been so successful to a label, > >I'm sure she has plenty of power to be creative.
> Which is why during Fantasy her record company was against it.
> However, I know that she > >feels she has to continue churning shit after shit.
> Do you know Mariah personally? You're making this too easy.
> Mariah knows what she is > >doing. She wants more number ones. It's a formula. Let's go all the way > >back > >to the (near) beginning.
> >1993-Mariah releases "Music Box," which contains R&B pop producer Babyface, > >very popular at the time.
> Oh. You're last three all involve rappers. Is Babyface a rapper? He was a very > popular producer at the time, Mariah wasn't the first, nor the last to work > with him. She worked with Walter for her first 4 studio albums. What's your > point? Whitney has worked w/ Babyface, as has Toni, and a whole other bunch of > artists. Mariah even helped him by singing back up on Everytime I Close My > Eyes. She last worked with him on When You Believe, and his popularity had gone > south at that point.
> >1995-Mariah releases "Daydream", containing Fantasy which has a solo by ODB, > >from HipHop group of the moment Wu-Tang.
> Puhleeze. You act as if you know her. That was one of the first (I believe it > was the first even) times that Mariah worked with a rapper. Did you want her to > choose some no-name? She also worked with Da Brat on ABMB, and she has never > been HUGELY popular.
> >1997-Mariah releases "Butterfly", which contains "Honey," a song that > >prominantly features rapper of the moment Puff Daddy (I'll Be Missing You had > >just been released).
> GASP! She also worked with him pre-PUFFY the rapper in 1996 with Fantasy on > Daydream before people even knew who he was!
> >1999-Mariah releases "Rainbow," an album that contains "Heartbreaker" which > >features a solo by rapper of the moment (biggest rap album of 1999-2000) > >Jay-Z.
> Oh puhleeze. She also had work featuring Joe (and he was HUGELY popular at the > time, as if), and she worked with JD too... You gave four examples, which don't > hold up very strongly.
> >See? I wonder who'll be on her next album. SHE doesn't decide who to work > >with. She's too much of a bitch to take that shit. She has total creative > >control and don't say she doesn't. Her creativity just isn't very creative.
> Are you her brother? Personal assistant? Cause you two seem to connected since > you KNOW her. So many assumptions, so little facts.
I agree to some extent. Mariah's music has changed, but not drasticly......she has gone more RnB and less pop and ballads....but hey, she likes them, the fans like them......there are poeple who don't like it.....my advise to them would be: stop listening to her
> Just for the record I want to say that I would really like to see mariah > carey get more creative control. Maybe then I wouldn't be able to bitch > about her music sounding the same all the time. I'm not going to sit here > and say that I don't think Mariah Carey has talent, becuase she does. It > just really saddens me that she never tries anything new. I'm sorry, but > everything since Daydream just sounds the same to me and thats why I've > never purchased Rainbow. Mariah Carey is the type of artist that could > really change things in todays music scene, but she just hasn't. The main > reason I am so fond of Madonna is because she is constantly changing, and > continuously pushing musical boundries. Madonna rarely does the same thing > twice, and that is one of the main factors that have kept her on top.
> Josh <Numb...@webtv.net> wrote in message > news:13627-3931C012-80@storefull-623.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > > Janine writes: > > I keep hearing that Mariah is trying to get rid of Sony- why so? Just > > wants more money? Creative control? What?
> > It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony > > label just hint at creativity. > > Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back. Most > > "groundbreaking artists" aren't on the Sony label. Think about it. > > Of course Mariah would want more money, but that's part of it.
> > I doubt Tommy is helping the situation.
> > "They Say Anything They Want To Say > > Try To Break Me Down, But I Won't Face The Ground, > > I Will Rise Steadily, > > Sailing Out Of Their Reach...." -Mariah
> I agree to some extent. Mariah's music has changed, but not > drasticly......she has gone more RnB and less pop and ballads....but hey, > she likes them, the fans like them......there are poeple who don't like > it.....my advise to them would be: stop listening to her
> > Just for the record I want to say that I would really like to see > mariah > > carey get more creative control. Maybe then I wouldn't be able to bitch > > about her music sounding the same all the time. I'm not going to sit here > > and say that I don't think Mariah Carey has talent, becuase she does. It > > just really saddens me that she never tries anything new. I'm sorry, but > > everything since Daydream just sounds the same to me and thats why I've > > never purchased Rainbow. Mariah Carey is the type of artist that could > > really change things in todays music scene, but she just hasn't. The main > > reason I am so fond of Madonna is because she is constantly changing, and > > continuously pushing musical boundries. Madonna rarely does the same thing > > twice, and that is one of the main factors that have kept her on top.
> > Josh <Numb...@webtv.net> wrote in message > > news:13627-3931C012-80@storefull-623.iap.bryant.webtv.net... > > > Janine writes: > > > I keep hearing that Mariah is trying to get rid of Sony- why so? Just > > > wants more money? Creative control? What?
> > > It's creative control. If you notice that most artists on the Sony > > > label just hint at creativity. > > > Everytime Mariah tries to be creative she is held back. Most > > > "groundbreaking artists" aren't on the Sony label. Think about it. > > > Of course Mariah would want more money, but that's part of it.
> > > I doubt Tommy is helping the situation.
> > > "They Say Anything They Want To Say > > > Try To Break Me Down, But I Won't Face The Ground, > > > I Will Rise Steadily, > > > Sailing Out Of Their Reach...." -Mariah
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