>>>>>> On the other hand that is suspicious. Even the best vaccines have >>>>>> side >>>>>> effects in something like one per 100,000 doses. Zero reports >>>>>> would be >>>>>> low enough to look like someone had been fiddling the figures. >>>>>> Even if >>>>>> there were zero side effects someone somewhere would be likely to >>>>>> have >>>>>> died of unrelated causes shortly after the vaccination, and I would >>>>>> expect the press to trumpet that.
>>>>> Did you read the Daily Mail a few weeks back, screaming that a young >>>>> girl had died as a result of the HPV vaccination, when it turned out >>>>> (in very short order) that she had been killed by an undiagnosed >>>>> tumour in her chest cavity?
>>>>> Don't worry; if there's the slightest chance that the scum press in >>>>> this country can scaremonger on the basis of no evidence, they'll do >>>>> it. All you have to do is wait.
>>>> The scaremongering from both press and government(s) regarding H1N1 >>>> is ridiculous. Somewhere in the region of 150+ deaths in the UK have >>>> been attributed to swine flu. Annually, somewhere between 3000 to >>>> 4000 UK deaths are attributed to "normal" influenza.
>>> Which is reason enough to get both shots - when you can. I don't want >>> to die whether it's 150 or 4,000 other people who die with me.
>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it.
> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around in > 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be OK. I hope > so, anyway.
There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the USA now and most of them are full of poisons like squaline and mercury. They are being promoted by a program full of lies and misinformation and scare-mongering. I don't even want to be in the same room with that crap, let alone have it in my body.
The best way to stave off any kind of flu is to take 4,000 to 5,000 units of Vitamin D3 per day, along with at least a gram of Natural C and eat whole, natural unprocessed foods and avoid sweets. The reason winter is flu season is the lack of sunshine and Vitamin D.
-Sparkle Farkle's boyfriend -- I do not trust the Government.
Lesley Weston wrote: > Ferd Burfle wrote: >> Lesley Weston wrote: >>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>>> Daniel Orner wrote: >>>>>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>>>>> Daniel Orner wrote: >>>>>>>> jester wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:55:54 -0500, Daniel Orner >>>>>>>>> <dmor...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>>>>>>> <hack> >>>>>>>>>>> More government plots. Government, being based on the threat >>>>>>>>>>> of deadly force, is evil. Politics, like guns or poison, >>>>>>>>>>> should only be used in self defense or the defense of others. >>>>>>>>>>> Be sure, if a new law is passed making it illegal to give >>>>>>>>>>> poisoned candy to children at Halloween, the final result >>>>>>>>>>> will be more government and less individual liberty. It's >>>>>>>>>>> like the ONE RING; every time you use it the evil gets stronger. >>>>>>>>>> Less individual liberty to give poisoned candy to >>>>>>>>>> children? Yes please.
>>>>>>>>> Do you know how many recorded incidents there are of that >>>>>>>>> happening?
>>>>>>>>> As far as I can tell, it's exactly same as the number of recorded >>>>>>>>> incidents of somebody walking all the way from London to New >>>>>>>>> York without >>>>>>>>> stopping.
>>>>>>>>> Not that that would stop this government passing a law about it.
>>>>>>>> I wasn't the one who brought it up, I'm just saying I'd >>>>>>>> support such a law if my government was bored enough to make it up.
>>>>>>> You prove my point. By so doing, you would further empower >>>>>>> government to deny your basic rights and meddle in your choices. >>>>>>> Government is a lot more potentially dangerous and evil than >>>>>>> poisoned candy.
>>>>>> Um, no. No it isn't. That's a completely insane statement.
>>>>> Perhaps it seems that way to the uninformed.
>>>>> How many humans were murdered during the Twentieth Century by the >>>>> use of poisoned candy and how many by the use of government?
>>>>> There's a number of orders of magnitude difference. The candy is >>>>> not the "winner."
>>>> Here's just one very small example of what I'm addressing:
>>>> "The 1983 to 1985 famine in Ethiopia, which Ms. Weldu survived, was >>>> a direct result of then-President Mengistu Haile Miriam's policies, >>>> which combined socialism with a violent resettlement program. Unable >>>> to trade, people engaged in subsistence agriculture. When drought >>>> struck in 1983, as it does periodically, millions were unable to >>>> obtain enough food. Aid flowed in from foreign governments and from >>>> naïve Westerners (including me, since I bought a couple of copies of >>>> "Do They Know It's Christmas?"), but much of it was requisitioned by >>>> the regime and used to oppress the very people it was supposed to >>>> help. Over a million died.
>>>> "Mengistu continued to implement his socialist vision after the >>>> drought, forcing over 12 million people to live in essentially >>>> autarkic villages, promoting poverty and inhibiting adaptation. >>>> Ethiopia's economy had been growing steadily until Mengistu came to >>>> power, with real per capita GDP rising by about 50% in the 20 years >>>> before 1973 (in spite of attempts by the government at planned >>>> agro-industrialization). But by the time he was eventually forced >>>> out of office in 1990, Ethiopia's real per capita output was about >>>> 10% lower than in 1973."
>>> The trouble with this story, as opposed to the events it describes, >>> is that it repeatedly uses the words "socialist" and "socialism" to >>> describe a regime that's about as far removed from Socialism as it's >>> possible to be. This diminishes the impact, causing the reader to >>> throw out a baby (that may very well exist) of unacceptable >>> happenings along with the bath water of bad reporting.
>> I know how to read between the lines.
>> To me, the significant fact is
>> "Over a million died."
> Oh, that's important all right, along with all the other deaths caused > by incompetent governments. But that doesn't mean that the idea of > government is evil, just that implementation is horrific.
Tell me when it isn't, hasn't been. That horrific implementation is the nature of government.
-Sparkle Farkle's boyfriend -- Trust the Government.
>>>> Where I *will* meet you part of the way is to say that good >>>> government requires constant vigilance on the part of the citizens. >>>> Encouraging that is far more productive than simply (and >>>> simplistically) saying that "All gummint is eeeevil".
>>> Tell me about a good government. Humans are complacent and lazy; they >>> will not be constantly vigilant. Government, by its nature will >>> continue to attract and create and empower psychopaths. Over time, >>> the injustice and evil multiplies. Government is based on force, on >>> denying basic human rights. How is that not evil?
>>> -Sparkle Farkle's boyfriend >>> -- >>> Trust the Government.
>> That presupposes several things.
>> 1) That all force is evil. 'Tisn't. Using force against someone trying >> to kill you, for example.
> Agreed.
>> Using force as part of healing someone.
> How does that work? Seems counter-intuitive.
>> Using force to protect those dear to you.
> Agreed.
>> 2) Government is about denying basic rights? The basis of our >> government is a document that proclaims those basic rights; before it >> existed, nobody *had* any.
> That's not possible. Rights can be taken away, but they can't be given. > In an anarchic situation, everybody has all the rights there are; > government is about denying some rights to some people for the good of > the rest of the people.
>> I certainly don't feel like the government is trampling over any of my >> rights or trying to force me to do anything except pay taxes - which >> is needed if I want to do things like, you know, ride the bus or get >> free health care.
> You and I are lucky in that we live in Canada. Afghanis, Chinese people, > people in many African countries and so on might not feel quite so happy > about their governments.
>> 3) Government by its nature will try to empower psychopaths? Unless >> you're referring to the military, perhaps, if a psychopath gets into >> government they will probably be voted out very quickly.
> That's how it should work, yes, but there's plenty of evidence that it > doesn't, just in Canada - one of the better-run countries. A politician > who murdered his wife, for instance, or one who sued for libel the > country he once ran and received a huge award of tax-payers money, which > he accepted to add to his enormous personal fortune, not to give to > charity; then when it turned out to be no libel he refused to give back > the money. Or a whole group of people who, while in power, saw nothing > wrong in using taxes to pay large sums to their party's supporters for > doing nothing at all.
> If you consider what sort of person is likely to think they have the > right to control how other people live, it's not too surprising.
Let me suggest that an hour or two studying psychopathy online might prove to be enlightening and informative. Psychopaths rarely murder or run amok; it's the quiet ones that live next door that do the greatest harm. Once you are familiar with their behavior patterns, you will begin to recognize those you already know. They have a deep emptiness within that forces them to behave in certain ways. The stupid ones are terrible bullies and mutilators of animals. The really smart ones can successfully pretend to have a conscience, but they have none and feel no shame or guilt for even the most egregious crimes. They are vain and selfish and paranoid. They have an obsessive need to know everybody's secrets, but always lie and hide their own. They will lie even when there is no advantage to be gained, because it feeds their feelings of superiority to deceive others.
The natural born psychopath is around 5% of the male population and 1% of the female, but they have a disproportionately great effect on the rest of us. Practically anyone can be converted into a psychopath by possessing too much power over others. We evolved this way because hunter-gatherer groups led by psychopaths tended to survive. We not only still have psychopaths, but we also have a tendency to follow and obey them. This is the basis for all government.
-Sparkle Farkle's boyfriend -- Trust the Government.
"Lesley Weston" wrote... > Ferd Burfle wrote: <snip >> They will have to kill me to get me to take it. > Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around > in 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be > OK. I hope so, anyway.
But wait. I had heard that the last time it was in North America was in 1976 (when I had a really bad flu - fell sick at my grandparents and was completely useless).
Regardless, either would explain the higher death rates for the young population. Argh.
Either way, maybe it is okay for me not to be stabbed. I hate getting stabbed.
Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:18:14 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser > caused ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) to write:
> >Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: <snip> > >> <shrug> The thing to bear in mind is that *any* stadium is pretty much > >> forced to be a certain shape by its very nature. That's been true > >> since at least Greek and Roman times. Thus the poor architect is stuck > >> trying to do something "innovative" with the outside, because he > >> *can't* do much to the inside without rendering it useless for its > >> primary purpose.
> >Your point is a valid one. However, the Greeks and Romans , with limited > >materials and no modern machinery still managed to build impressive and > >imposing buildings that somehow *don't* look like public urinals :-)
> Yes, because back then all the good ideas hadn't been used up yet. > Today, if an architect insists on doing something nobody else has ever > done before, you can get all sorts of abonimations.
Just because all the good ideas have been used up [1] doesn't mean they need to start using up all the bad ones.
I think architects ought to be made to live/work in the buildings they design to prove the concept. We might get some rather less silly buildings then.
{1] Which I'm not convinced is the case, but will use as a premise here for argument's sake. -- Carol. www.mullimages.com "This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong". It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
Thomas Zahr <use...@zahr-mail.de> wrote: > Carol Hague <ca...@wrhpv.com> wrote:
> ...
> > Your point is a valid one. However, the Greeks and Romans , with > > limited > > materials and no modern machinery still managed to build impressive > > and > > imposing buildings that somehow *don't* look like public urinals :-)
> > And at least one of said buildings is still in use (sadly, one of the > > uses is bullfighting, but that's not the building's fault.)
> Otoh bullfighting is quite close to the original use
True. I'd like to say that the original use would be repugnant to most people today, but I fear I might be incorrect about that :-( -- Carol. www.mullimages.com "This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong". It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
>>>>>>> On the other hand that is suspicious. Even the best vaccines have >>>>>>> side >>>>>>> effects in something like one per 100,000 doses. Zero reports >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> low enough to look like someone had been fiddling the figures. >>>>>>> Even if >>>>>>> there were zero side effects someone somewhere would be likely to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> died of unrelated causes shortly after the vaccination, and I would >>>>>>> expect the press to trumpet that.
>>>>>> Did you read the Daily Mail a few weeks back, screaming that a young >>>>>> girl had died as a result of the HPV vaccination, when it turned out >>>>>> (in very short order) that she had been killed by an undiagnosed >>>>>> tumour in her chest cavity?
>>>>>> Don't worry; if there's the slightest chance that the scum press in >>>>>> this country can scaremonger on the basis of no evidence, they'll do >>>>>> it. All you have to do is wait.
>>>>> The scaremongering from both press and government(s) regarding H1N1 >>>>> is ridiculous. Somewhere in the region of 150+ deaths in the UK >>>>> have been attributed to swine flu. Annually, somewhere between 3000 >>>>> to 4000 UK deaths are attributed to "normal" influenza.
>>>> Which is reason enough to get both shots - when you can. I don't >>>> want to die whether it's 150 or 4,000 other people who die with me.
>>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it.
>> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around in >> 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be OK. I >> hope so, anyway.
> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the > USA now and most of them are full of poisons like squaline and mercury. > They are being promoted by a program full of lies and misinformation and > scare-mongering. I don't even want to be in the same room with that > crap, let alone have it in my body.
There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the USA now and all are perfectly safe. Squaline and mercury are being promoted as poisons by a program full of lies and misinformation and scare-mongering.
Large Dave wrote: > Ferd Burfle wrote: >> Lesley Weston wrote: >>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>>> Brian Howlett wrote: >>>>>> On 5 Nov, Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>>>>>> Bernard Peek wrote:
>>>>>>>> On the other hand that is suspicious. Even the best vaccines >>>>>>>> have side >>>>>>>> effects in something like one per 100,000 doses. Zero reports >>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>> low enough to look like someone had been fiddling the figures. >>>>>>>> Even if >>>>>>>> there were zero side effects someone somewhere would be likely >>>>>>>> to have >>>>>>>> died of unrelated causes shortly after the vaccination, and I would >>>>>>>> expect the press to trumpet that.
>>>>>>> Did you read the Daily Mail a few weeks back, screaming that a young >>>>>>> girl had died as a result of the HPV vaccination, when it turned out >>>>>>> (in very short order) that she had been killed by an undiagnosed >>>>>>> tumour in her chest cavity?
>>>>>>> Don't worry; if there's the slightest chance that the scum press in >>>>>>> this country can scaremonger on the basis of no evidence, they'll do >>>>>>> it. All you have to do is wait.
>>>>>> The scaremongering from both press and government(s) regarding >>>>>> H1N1 is ridiculous. Somewhere in the region of 150+ deaths in the >>>>>> UK have been attributed to swine flu. Annually, somewhere between >>>>>> 3000 to 4000 UK deaths are attributed to "normal" influenza.
>>>>> Which is reason enough to get both shots - when you can. I don't >>>>> want to die whether it's 150 or 4,000 other people who die with me.
>>>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it.
>>> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around in >>> 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be OK. I >>> hope so, anyway.
>> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the >> USA now and most of them are full of poisons like squaline and >> mercury. They are being promoted by a program full of lies and >> misinformation and scare-mongering. I don't even want to be in the >> same room with that crap, let alone have it in my body.
> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the > USA now and all are perfectly safe. Squaline and mercury are being > promoted as poisons by a program full of lies and misinformation and > scare-mongering.
You see, that's what I think you are doing. The sources you mention are propaganda sites promoting the official government line. These people have an agenda. Those who are sounding the warning are mostly Doctors and Medical techs, who have nothing to gain from their campaign. Come on: mercury is *not* a poison????? Squaline is good for you????
-Sparkle Farkle's boyfriend -- Trust the Government.
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:18:14 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser >> caused ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) to write:
>> >Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: ><snip> >> >> <shrug> The thing to bear in mind is that *any* stadium is pretty much >> >> forced to be a certain shape by its very nature. That's been true >> >> since at least Greek and Roman times. Thus the poor architect is stuck >> >> trying to do something "innovative" with the outside, because he >> >> *can't* do much to the inside without rendering it useless for its >> >> primary purpose.
>> >Your point is a valid one. However, the Greeks and Romans , with limited >> >materials and no modern machinery still managed to build impressive and >> >imposing buildings that somehow *don't* look like public urinals :-)
>> Yes, because back then all the good ideas hadn't been used up yet. >> Today, if an architect insists on doing something nobody else has ever >> done before, you can get all sorts of abonimations.
>Just because all the good ideas have been used up [1] doesn't mean they >need to start using up all the bad ones.
>I think architects ought to be made to live/work in the buildings they >design to prove the concept. We might get some rather less silly >buildings then.
>{1] Which I'm not convinced is the case, but will use as a premise here >for argument's sake.
I agree that all the good ideas haven't been used up (and even if they had been, what's wrong with recycling some old good ideas rather than using new, bad/ugly ones?) But there seems to be a school of thought in modern architecture (and art, for that matter) that ugly is cool. Or something like that.
And I *totally* agree that architects should have to live/work in their abominations. Or maybe live across the street, so they have to look at their blot on the landscape every day.
-Chris Zakes Texas
"We put all our politicians in prison as soon as they're elected. Don't you?" "Why?" "It saves time."
Lesley Weston wrote: > Large Dave wrote: [...] > The current situation seems to be that the UK government goes a lot > further than keeping dogs and barking themselves: They are attempting to > have the vocal cords of their dogs removed.
>> Note the Godwin about half way down
> And the hasty disclaimer that follows it, presumably resulting from a > temporary attack of sanity in the sub-editor.
Sadly, I think you'll find that that's just the standard disclaimer for the readers' comments section.
-- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
>>> "Anarchy" is not synonymous with chaos; it means "no monarch."
>> No, it means "no ruler". Often enough, it also means "no rules". That >> usually means "rule by the most violent".
>>> It means I am nobody's property, nobody's slave.
>> And nobody will come to your aid when you find yourself in >> difficulties, even if those difficulties are not of your making (i.e. >> 'bad luck'). I wouldn't want even to *visit* a place which operated on >> those rules.
> I would.
I hear that Somalia is nice at this time of year.
-- W . | ,. w , "Some people are alive only because \|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est ---^----^---------------------------------------------------------------
Ferd Burfle wrote: > Large Dave wrote: >> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>> Ferd Burfle wrote: >>>>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>>>> Brian Howlett wrote: >>>>>>> On 5 Nov, Nigel Stapley wrote:
>>>>>>>> Bernard Peek wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand that is suspicious. Even the best vaccines >>>>>>>>> have side >>>>>>>>> effects in something like one per 100,000 doses. Zero reports >>>>>>>>> would be >>>>>>>>> low enough to look like someone had been fiddling the figures. >>>>>>>>> Even if >>>>>>>>> there were zero side effects someone somewhere would be likely >>>>>>>>> to have >>>>>>>>> died of unrelated causes shortly after the vaccination, and I >>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>> expect the press to trumpet that.
>>>>>>>> Did you read the Daily Mail a few weeks back, screaming that a >>>>>>>> young >>>>>>>> girl had died as a result of the HPV vaccination, when it turned >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> (in very short order) that she had been killed by an undiagnosed >>>>>>>> tumour in her chest cavity?
>>>>>>>> Don't worry; if there's the slightest chance that the scum press in >>>>>>>> this country can scaremonger on the basis of no evidence, >>>>>>>> they'll do >>>>>>>> it. All you have to do is wait.
>>>>>>> The scaremongering from both press and government(s) regarding >>>>>>> H1N1 is ridiculous. Somewhere in the region of 150+ deaths in the >>>>>>> UK have been attributed to swine flu. Annually, somewhere between >>>>>>> 3000 to 4000 UK deaths are attributed to "normal" influenza.
>>>>>> Which is reason enough to get both shots - when you can. I don't >>>>>> want to die whether it's 150 or 4,000 other people who die with me.
>>>>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it.
>>>> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around in >>>> 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be OK. I >>>> hope so, anyway.
>>> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in >>> the USA now and most of them are full of poisons like squaline and >>> mercury. They are being promoted by a program full of lies and >>> misinformation and scare-mongering. I don't even want to be in the >>> same room with that crap, let alone have it in my body.
>> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the >> USA now and all are perfectly safe. Squaline and mercury are being >> promoted as poisons by a program full of lies and misinformation and >> scare-mongering.
> You see, that's what I think you are doing. The sources you mention are > propaganda sites promoting the official government line. These people > have an agenda. Those who are sounding the warning are mostly Doctors > and Medical techs, who have nothing to gain from their campaign. Come > on: mercury is *not* a poison????? Squaline is good for you????
" To misqutote Pterry, "Multiple question marks, a sure sign of..." :-)
I didn't imply that they are good for you! The last 2 links show that neither Squalene or Thimerasol (Mercury) are in current use in the USA.
I'll agree that the CDC is a government body, but those people who subscribe to science based medicine are "Doctors and Medical techs, who have nothing to gain from their campaign"
>>>>>>> On the other hand that is suspicious. Even the best vaccines have >>>>>>> side >>>>>>> effects in something like one per 100,000 doses. Zero reports >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> low enough to look like someone had been fiddling the figures. >>>>>>> Even if >>>>>>> there were zero side effects someone somewhere would be likely to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> died of unrelated causes shortly after the vaccination, and I would >>>>>>> expect the press to trumpet that.
>>>>>> Did you read the Daily Mail a few weeks back, screaming that a young >>>>>> girl had died as a result of the HPV vaccination, when it turned out >>>>>> (in very short order) that she had been killed by an undiagnosed >>>>>> tumour in her chest cavity?
>>>>>> Don't worry; if there's the slightest chance that the scum press in >>>>>> this country can scaremonger on the basis of no evidence, they'll do >>>>>> it. All you have to do is wait.
>>>>> The scaremongering from both press and government(s) regarding H1N1 >>>>> is ridiculous. Somewhere in the region of 150+ deaths in the UK >>>>> have been attributed to swine flu. Annually, somewhere between 3000 >>>>> to 4000 UK deaths are attributed to "normal" influenza.
>>>> Which is reason enough to get both shots - when you can. I don't >>>> want to die whether it's 150 or 4,000 other people who die with me.
>>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it.
>> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around in >> 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be OK. I >> hope so, anyway.
> There are four different formulations of the vaccine being used in the > USA now and most of them are full of poisons like squaline and mercury. > They are being promoted by a program full of lies and misinformation and > scare-mongering. I don't even want to be in the same room with that > crap, let alone have it in my body.
Your choice, of course. And since there is a shortage of vaccine, you are selflessly giving up your protection so that someone else can have it.
> The best way to stave off any kind of flu is to take 4,000 to 5,000 > units of Vitamin D3 per day,
That's a dangerous amount. The recommendation is 1,000 to 2,000 IU per day, every day whether you feel well or ill. This will indeed help you to fight infections, especially respiratory ones.
> along with at least a gram of Natural C
This does no harm unless you have GERD, and may do some good. But do remember that Linus Pauling's field (in which he excelled and for which he received the Nobel Prize) was molecular structure; when talking about Vitamin C he was off his head.
> and > eat whole, natural unprocessed foods and avoid sweets.
Always good advice. But such a diet is a little on the dull side, don't you think?
> The reason winter > is flu season is the lack of sunshine and Vitamin D.
And everybody huddling together in rooms with closed windows, breathing each other's exhaust, and then going outside into the cold and/or wet before huddling together with different people in different rooms. And quite possibly SAD: there does seem to be a connection between being unhappy and getting sick.
-- Lesley Weston
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April Goodwin-Smith wrote: > "Lesley Weston" wrote... >> Ferd Burfle wrote: > <snip >>> They will have to kill me to get me to take it. >> Or just leave it to the virus to do so. But since you were around >> in 1957, when the last swine flu happened, chances are you'll be >> OK. I hope so, anyway.
> But wait. I had heard that the last time it was in North America > was in 1976 (when I had a really bad flu - fell sick at my > grandparents and was completely useless).
Then it should be protecting a few more people, which is a Good Thing.
> Regardless, either would explain the higher death rates for the > young population. Argh.
That's the bit that's so sad. Though it's not much less sad if old and/or sick people die prematurely, either.
> Either way, maybe it is okay for me not to be stabbed. I > hate getting stabbed.
Don't we all! And this one gives you a sore arm for a couple of days, too. But it's still better than getting the flu - my granddaughter had a temperature of 104.6 by the time they got her to the hospital, despite the Tylenol and the cool bath. She has now completed the course of Tamiflu and is completely well again; she and her brother will be back at school tomorrow. Seven-year-olds are so resilient, when they're not so vulnerable.
-- Lesley Weston
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Carol Hague wrote: > Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:18:14 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser >> caused ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) to write:
>>> Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: > <snip> >>>> <shrug> The thing to bear in mind is that *any* stadium is pretty much >>>> forced to be a certain shape by its very nature. That's been true >>>> since at least Greek and Roman times. Thus the poor architect is stuck >>>> trying to do something "innovative" with the outside, because he >>>> *can't* do much to the inside without rendering it useless for its >>>> primary purpose. >>> Your point is a valid one. However, the Greeks and Romans , with limited >>> materials and no modern machinery still managed to build impressive and >>> imposing buildings that somehow *don't* look like public urinals :-) >> Yes, because back then all the good ideas hadn't been used up yet. >> Today, if an architect insists on doing something nobody else has ever >> done before, you can get all sorts of abonimations.
> Just because all the good ideas have been used up [1] doesn't mean they > need to start using up all the bad ones.
I don't see what's wrong with re-using someone else's good idea if you don't have a better one yourself. But apparently architects are Artists (with a capital F), so that's not possible.
> I think architects ought to be made to live/work in the buildings they > design to prove the concept. We might get some rather less silly > buildings then.
Excellent idea! Might be a bit difficult with stadia, though.
> {1] Which I'm not convinced is the case, but will use as a premise here > for argument's sake.
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Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: > And I *totally* agree that architects should have to live/work in > their abominations. Or maybe live across the street, so they have to > look at their blot on the landscape every day.
I see the point of the living across the street thing, but I prefer the idea of them having to put up with whatever failings their buildings may have internally as well.
-- Carol. www.mullimages.com "This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong". It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Carol Hague wrote: > > I think architects ought to be made to live/work in the buildings they > > design to prove the concept. We might get some rather less silly > > buildings then.
> Excellent idea! Might be a bit difficult with stadia, though.
They could be made to sell refreshments at the games/events. This would serve the dual purpose of making them suffer the defects of the building and cutting down the time they could spend designing other things :-).
-- Carol. www.mullimages.com "This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong". It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
In message <hd70l6$29g...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>Don't we all! And this one gives you a sore arm for a couple of days, >too. But it's still better than getting the flu - my granddaughter had >a temperature of 104.6 by the time they got her to the hospital, >despite the Tylenol and the cool bath.
I got it during the summer and just had a slight fever and aching bones for a few days.
>She has now completed the course of Tamiflu and is completely well >again; she and her brother will be back at school tomorrow. >Seven-year-olds are so resilient, when they're not so vulnerable.
Most people who got the infection in summer will have had quite a mild case, but different people react in different ways. The numbers suggest that there will be more deaths from seasonal flu than from swine-flu this winter.
In message <hd6uag$22q...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> along with at least a gram of Natural C
>This does no harm unless you have GERD, and may do some good. But do >remember that Linus Pauling's field (in which he excelled and for which >he received the Nobel Prize) was molecular structure; when talking >about Vitamin C he was off his head.
There has been quite a lot of research as a result of his work. It's now known for sure that high doses don't have any effect.
>> and eat whole, natural unprocessed foods and avoid sweets.
>Always good advice. But such a diet is a little on the dull side, don't >you think?
>> The reason winter is flu season is the lack of sunshine and Vitamin >>D.
>And everybody huddling together in rooms with closed windows, breathing >each other's exhaust, and then going outside into the cold and/or wet >before huddling together with different people in different rooms. And >quite possibly SAD: there does seem to be a connection between being >unhappy and getting sick.
Temperature is important too. Low temperatures stress the body, making it more likely that you will develop an infection. I imagine that it also slows down inactivation of viruses outside the body.
>> And I *totally* agree that architects should have to live/work in >> their abominations. Or maybe live across the street, so they have to >> look at their blot on the landscape every day.
>I see the point of the living across the street thing, but I prefer the >idea of them having to put up with whatever failings their buildings may >have internally as well.
Maybe they can live across the street, but work in the abomination, or vice-versa. That'd cover both options.
My favorite bad example around here is a style of house that is nominally "split level." But it's really a two-story house with a set of stairs leading up to the front door. Once inside, you're on a landing with a choice of either going up more stairs to the second floor, or back down to the ground floor. The *only* thing on the level with the front door is the landing.
> The *only* thing on the level with the front door is the landing. > http://images04.olx.com/ui/1/43/75/f_42073875_1.jpeg > I'd love to take the idiot responsible, break his leg and then make > him live there for six months.
Well, at least if there's a flood they aren't likely to get too much water coming in the door.
If there *is* a flood that comes under the front door, check to see if your neighbour is building an ark... -- Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen ----------------------------------------------------------- There is a little known psychological theory that all women subconsciously want to be piano players. Pianist envy.
Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:01:15 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser > caused ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) to write: > >I see the point of the living across the street thing, but I prefer the > >idea of them having to put up with whatever failings their buildings may > >have internally as well.
> Maybe they can live across the street, but work in the abomination, or > vice-versa. That'd cover both options.
OK, that could work :-)
> My favorite bad example around here is a style of house that is > nominally "split level." But it's really a two-story house with a set > of stairs leading up to the front door. Once inside, you're on a > landing with a choice of either going up more stairs to the second > floor, or back down to the ground floor. The *only* thing on the level > with the front door is the landing.
> I'd love to take the idiot responsible, break his leg and then make > him live there for six months.
<boggle> That's not only stupid, but also wastes space. I don't understand how anyone could think that was a good idea. Also, it looks like it's made out of cardboard boxes and Lego.
-- Carol. www.mullimages.com "This might as well say "bing tiddle tiddle bong". It's complete gibberish," - Rodney McKay, Stargate: Atlantis
Carol Hague wrote: > Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> And I *totally* agree that architects should have to live/work in >> their abominations. Or maybe live across the street, so they have to >> look at their blot on the landscape every day.
> I see the point of the living across the street thing, but I prefer > the idea of them having to put up with whatever failings their > buildings may have internally as well.
Now *there* is an idea - apply the failings of the building _internally_ to the architect...
Geoff
-- Geoff Field Professional Geek, Amateur Stage-Levelling Gauge
>> On Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:01:15 +0000, an orbital mind-control laser >> caused ca...@wrhpv.com (Carol Hague) to write:
>> >I see the point of the living across the street thing, but I prefer the >> >idea of them having to put up with whatever failings their buildings may >> >have internally as well.
>> Maybe they can live across the street, but work in the abomination, or >> vice-versa. That'd cover both options.
>OK, that could work :-)
>> My favorite bad example around here is a style of house that is >> nominally "split level." But it's really a two-story house with a set >> of stairs leading up to the front door. Once inside, you're on a >> landing with a choice of either going up more stairs to the second >> floor, or back down to the ground floor. The *only* thing on the level >> with the front door is the landing.
>> I'd love to take the idiot responsible, break his leg and then make >> him live there for six months.
><boggle> That's not only stupid, but also wastes space. I don't >understand how anyone could think that was a good idea.
As PTerry said in "The Last Continent", "Exactly the sort of idea that sounds really good around one o'clock in the morning when you've had too much to drink."
The scary part is that he *still* thought it was a good idea when he sobered up, and that he managed to persuade a construction company that it was worth building.
-Chris Zakes Texas
It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged.
Bernard Peek wrote: > In message <hd70l6$29g...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston > <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> Don't we all! And this one gives you a sore arm for a couple of days, >> too. But it's still better than getting the flu - my granddaughter had >> a temperature of 104.6 by the time they got her to the hospital, >> despite the Tylenol and the cool bath.
> I got it during the summer and just had a slight fever and aching bones > for a few days.
Most people have a mild case, yes. The problem is that you can't predict which people those will be, and when it's not mild it's really serious: more so than with normal flu.
>> She has now completed the course of Tamiflu and is completely well >> again; she and her brother will be back at school tomorrow. >> Seven-year-olds are so resilient, when they're not so vulnerable.
> Most people who got the infection in summer will have had quite a mild > case, but different people react in different ways. The numbers suggest > that there will be more deaths from seasonal flu than from swine-flu > this winter.
What would be nice would be if there were no deaths from any kind of flu. As many people as possible getting /both/ shots would help us to get closer to this ideal.
-- Lesley Weston
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