Daniel Orner wrote: > Lizzy Taylor wrote: >> GaryN wrote: >>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in >>> news:4aef050a$0$2527
>>>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing >>>> undesirable things.
>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>> Lizzy
>>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid >>> proper British chips.
>> Exactly - British chips are proper solid things, French fries are all >> spindly and hence undesirable ;-)
> It's funny how French fries are far more popular in North America > than British chips, considering our relationships with the two > countries. 8-) They're almost impossible to find, in fact. I think that > chips are much easier to be done decently,
No, they're really difficult, which is why you don't see them so much in North America. They have to be just the right combination of soft, white and flaccid with a really /good/ coating of grease, but still tasty. There is a place near Vancouver, Cockney Kings,
that does them pretty much right, if you can tolerate the self-conscious chirpy Cockney humour that goes with each serving. I was expecting the staff to start cutting capers and shouting "Oy!"at any second. They switch it off when they hear our accents.
> while French fries are either > really good or really awful.
Oh yes! Unfortunately, MacDonalds make excellent fries.
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Large Dave wrote: > Ferd Burfle wrote: >> GaryN wrote: >>> Lizzy Taylor <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote in >>> news:4aef050a$0$2527 >>> $da0fe...@news.zen.co.uk:
>>>> Nigel Stapley wrote: >>>>> GaryN wrote:
>>>>>> Since the dawn of language the human race has always used >>>>>> perjoratives to describe those that we don't like/agree with, or >>>>>> who just happen to come from a different tribe. Which is usually >>>>>> just about everyone.
>>>>>> c.f. "Perfidious Albion", >>>>> "Vitreous China" >>>> We also use other nationalities as adjectives when describing >>>> undesirable things.
>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>> Lizzy
>>> Why do they have to be 'French Fries'? What's wrong with good solid >>> proper British chips.
>> I know that was most likely a rhetorical question, but I have an >> answer. American French fries are thin and crispy; British chips are >> thick, limp and wet. I kept asking for "well-done" chips and "crisp" >> chips in the UK, but never got served any.
>> No wonder you put vinegar on them and other abominations.
> You colonials and your overcooked chips :-) and I have never put vinegar > on an abomination!
Why not? It should scare it away quite nicely.
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Carol Hague wrote: > Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just >> think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little >> imagination will show them how.
> Alas, there are a great many people who lack even a little imagination.
> And, I'm sorry to say, a few (at least I hope it's only a few) who > simply don't care if they hurt other people or actually take delight in > doing so.
Lizzy Taylor wrote: > Ferd Burfle wrote: >> Lizzy Taylor wrote: >>> SteveD wrote: >>>> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:05 +0000, Lizzy Taylor >>>> <li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> c.f. German measles, Spanish practices & French fries
>>>> English muffin, American cheese?
>>> We don't have English muffins in England, and have you ever tasted >>> American cheese?
>> Ick.
>> "Velveeta" Double Ick with a barfbarf.
> We don't have anything that quite approaches the culinary achievement of > Velveeta on the UKian side of the pond. Thank god!
Oh yes you do! It's called processed cheese and comes in little triangles wrapped in foil, all in a round box. I'm not sure, but I think Velveeta is one of the UK brands as well. Here in Canada we also have La Vache Qui Rit cheese, which is not as good as its name. But American cheese usually means the thin slices of orange cheese-product that come wrapped in individual condoms and are used for burgers.
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Bob Larter wrote: > Lesley Weston wrote: >> Bob Larter wrote: >>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>> GaryN wrote: >>> [...] >>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about >>>>> "What do >>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to >>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in >>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing >>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend >>> any given person.
>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat >> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It >> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat >> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
> All true. OTOH, many fat people seem to think it's perfectly okay to > tell skinny people that they're 'scrawny', etc.
Not IME. But being fat doesn't make someone a saint, so perhaps they do when I'm not around.
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Carol Hague wrote: > Lesley Weston <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> I hold no brief for busybodies of any stripe, including that one. I just >> think that people should try not to hurt other people, and a little >> imagination will show them how.
> Alas, there are a great many people who lack even a little imagination.
> And, I'm sorry to say, a few (at least I hope it's only a few) who > simply don't care if they hurt other people or actually take delight in > doing so.
Well yes, there are always those. But fewer of them as we progress.
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>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might >> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that >> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that >> we are stuck with the millenium dome.
> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the > next host city for the Olympic parasites?
Lesley Weston wrote: > Bernard Peek wrote: >> In message <hcmrq6$pu...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston >> <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> writes >>> Bob Larter wrote: >>>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>>> GaryN wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about >>>>>> "What do >>>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to >>>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in >>>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it. >>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing >>>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend >>>> any given person.
>>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat >>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It >>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat >>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>> As a fat person I have some issues with that. I recognise your good >> intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about fat >> people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may have >> been none.
> Even if it's self-censorship? I can quite see how legislating against > prejudice creates further prejudice, but I would think that people > deciding for themselves would have the opposite effect, on the principle > that imagining yourself in the other person's place makes you (generic) > more sensitive to that person's needs.
>> I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with malicious >> intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly another fat >> person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
> Again, not even the person who decides not to make the joke? As always > in cases of bigotry, it's not proper for thin people to tell fat people > that said fat people can't make jokes about being fat, but I think it's > a good idea for thin people not to make such jokes.
I think it's a good idea for them not to make such jokes about people who they don't know very well. I think it's perfectly fine if you're good friends with someone and you both know perfectly well that nothing harsh is meant by it. Also, if you *are* good enough friends, hopefully your friend will be open enough to tell you if something you said was hurtful.
>> As a fat person I have some issues with that. I recognise your good >>intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about fat >>people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may have >>been none.
>Even if it's self-censorship? I can quite see how legislating against >prejudice creates further prejudice, but I would think that people >deciding for themselves would have the opposite effect, on the >principle that imagining yourself in the other person's place makes you >(generic) more sensitive to that person's needs. >> I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with >>malicious intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly >>another fat person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
>Again, not even the person who decides not to make the joke? As always >in cases of bigotry, it's not proper for thin people to tell fat people >that said fat people can't make jokes about being fat, but I think it's >good idea for thin people not to make such jokes.
It's often but not always wrong for a thin-person to make fat-person jokes. There are lots of situations where I would laugh as much as anyone else. It's mainly dependent on their intent and the manner in which the joke is delivered.
I don't like the idea of people around me feeling threatened if they make the wrong sort of joke.
In message <hcnrn9$1f9...@mud.stack.nl>, Rgemini <royO...@CAPITALayresonline.LETTERS.me.uk> writes
>Ferd Burfle wrote:
>> I will freely admit to a small sample area, mostly in Brummy and >>Mancunery, but these were never crispy even on the outside. They were >>not so much "gone soggy" as fully sogged from their creation.
>The trick is to fry them twice. Pretty much every chippy round here >knows how to do them. Since they all seem to be run by Turkish >Cypriots, I wonder whether the secret of good chips comes from the >Mysterious East.
Quite possibly further East than this particular part of East London.
You can get very good chips in most parts of Belgium. Around here your best bet is to get them from a Chinese takeaway.
When I lived in Leeds you usually got less than crispy chips but because they had been fried in beef dripping I forgave them for that. I haven't had decent fried fish since I moved back down here in 1988.
>> No-one has... > I've seen a lot of USian cheese on the goggle box.
Oh, I'm not denying the *existence* of American cheese... -- Brian Howlett - Email to From: address deleted unseen ----------------------------------------------------- Engaging "getting the hell out of here" manoeuvre...
>>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might >>> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that >>> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that >>> we are stuck with the millenium dome.
>> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the >> next host city for the Olympic parasites?
>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might >> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that >> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way that >> we are stuck with the millenium dome.
> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the > next host city for the Olympic parasites?
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Brian Howlett wrote: > On 3 Nov, Ferd Burfle wrote:
>> It's classified as a "cheese food."
> What does cheese eat, exactly?
Lactose, IIRC.
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Lesley Weston wrote: > Bob Larter wrote: >> Lesley Weston wrote: >>> Bob Larter wrote: >>>> Lesley Weston wrote: >>>>> GaryN wrote: >>>> [...] >>>>>> My initial intention was to present a rhetorical question about >>>>>> "What do >>>>>> they want the law to be and where do we stop?"
>>>>> The Law is irrelevant, as it so often is. All that's needed is to >>>>> avoid hurting people. If the person you're talking to (or about in >>>>> their hearing) could be hurt by what you say, then don't say it.
>>>> The drawback with that approach is that short of developing >>>> telepathy, it's difficult to know in advance what's going to offend >>>> any given person.
>>> There's a good chance that physically attacking someone who's fat >>> while shouting insults about fat people is going to offend them. It >>> also seems quite likely that thin people making jokes about being fat >>> to or around someone who is might hurt their feelings.
>> All true. OTOH, many fat people seem to think it's perfectly okay to >> tell skinny people that they're 'scrawny', etc.
> Not IME. But being fat doesn't make someone a saint, so perhaps they do > when I'm not around.
I'm skinny, & I get comments like that regularly.
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I had heard that the Speed Skating Oval in Richmond was going to be torn down after the Olympics because the land in Richmond is to unstable (read: waterlogged) to support the structure in the long-term. But this website seems to indicate that there are plans to have plans for the future: http://richmondoval.ca/default.htm
Funny old world, she said, carefully not expressing her point of view in case the Thought Police get her. We have always been in love with the Olympics.
"Lesley Weston" wrote... > Daniel Orner wrote: <snip> >> while French fries are either really good or really awful. > Oh yes! Unfortunately, MacDonalds make excellent fries.
That's because they blanch the potato strips in sugarwater before the strips are flash frozen. Once the strips are deep fried and salted, you get that lovely play of sweet and salty against each other.
Your teeth get coated with the most unbelievable stuff, but your tongue just doesn't want to know.
>> I've seen a lot of USian cheese on the goggle box.
> Oh, I'm not denying the *existence* of American cheese...
I was actually using it in the other sense of the word as in "Oh for f**k sake, this is so cheesy. Change to another channel"
Mind you, in Harry Harrison's "Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers"[1] an interstellar drive powered by 'cheddite' is produced by bombarding USian cheddar in a particle accelerator by mistake. I suppose it could happen...:-)
gary
[1]An excellent piss-take of 50's and 60's pulp sci-fi.
-- "I really like this jacket but the sleeves are much too long"
Bernard Peek wrote: > In message <hcpjm6$1na...@mud.stack.nl>, Lesley Weston > <brightly_coloured_b...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>> As a fat person I have some issues with that. I recognise your good >>> intent but I don't want anyone else trying to suppress jokes about >>> fat people. It creates hostility towards fat people where there may >>> have been none.
>> Even if it's self-censorship? I can quite see how legislating against >> prejudice creates further prejudice, but I would think that people >> deciding for themselves would have the opposite effect, on the >> principle that imagining yourself in the other person's place makes >> you (generic) more sensitive to that person's needs. >>> I'm usually capable of telling whether a joke was made with >>> malicious intent and I don't trust anyone else, except possibly >>> another fat person, to make that distinction on my behalf.
>> Again, not even the person who decides not to make the joke? As always >> in cases of bigotry, it's not proper for thin people to tell fat >> people that said fat people can't make jokes about being fat, but I >> think it's good idea for thin people not to make such jokes.
> It's often but not always wrong for a thin-person to make fat-person > jokes. There are lots of situations where I would laugh as much as > anyone else. It's mainly dependent on their intent and the manner in > which the joke is delivered.
Well yes, you can't make one rule for all situations. But what we were discussing at the beginning of this was not friendly teasing but malicious attacks.
> I don't like the idea of people around me feeling threatened if they > make the wrong sort of joke.
Which indicates that you are a lot more sensitive to other people's needs than many of those people might be to yours.
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Ferd Burfle wrote: > Lesley Weston wrote: >> GaryN wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> I do not regard this as a proper Foreign Policy, but it might >>> work<shrug>. It's possible that the Chinese might like it so that >>> they're not stuck with that "bird's nest" stadium in the same way >>> that we are stuck with the millenium dome.
>> Have you seen the thing that's been perpetrated outside Vancouver, the >> next host city for the Olympic parasites?
You can't see anyone at any price in ours, because they've sold all the tickets to corporations. However, I would probably go to see Paul McCartney if someone paid me $200.
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