Was Hans Asperger a Nazi Party member? He was a doctor at the University of Vienna during the Third Reich. Is it likely a pediatrician could be able to operate effectively without being an NSDAP member? I believe it was required that doctors be members of the Reich Physicians' Chamber (Reichsärztekammer), but I'm not sure if you had to be a party member to be a member of that.
On 29 Dec 2005 21:57:20 -0800, "Michael" <michael.lu...@daterra.ab.ca> wrote
>i'm not sure about asperger, but are you the John Keller of the Aryan >Peoples' Press. you used to sign your writing like that.
Next year is International Asperger Year to mark the 100th anniversary of his birth. So we can expect all sorts of weirdoes to try and muscle in on the event. But, as I wrote in my book,
'Kanner was the first to publish a paper describing Autism in 1943. Asperger's paper from 1944 was largely ignored as he published in German from within the Third Reich. But he was no nazi. Today we may detect a tendency in his writing to paint too positive a picture of potential outcomes for people with Autism. He used the phrase "autistic intelligence" approvingly as an explanation for genius. Frith (1989) suggests that this "must be seen in the light of his fervent belief in the powers of education." It should also be seen in the light of his desire to save his patients from the gas chambers that awaited all deemed defective by the nazi state.' (Stanton 2000 p24)
References Uta Frith (ed.): Autism and Asperger Syndrome (Cambridge University Press, 1991) Mike Stanton: Learning to Live with High Functioning Autism; A Parent's Guide for Professionals. (Jessica Kingsley Publishers, 2000) -- mike stanton serving neither god nor mammon on the lonely planet. http://mikestantonsautism.blogspot.com
thanks for the dr asperger update; as far as this persons motives are concerned however, i'm not completely satisfied with your birthday party tie in. :)
i've thought about it a bit, and have concluded that 'his' kind is always lurking around, waiting for any sign that other individuals around him, in this case newsgroups, are as disappointed with their lot as he with his.
there's no telling how long he's been monitoring this newsgroup, but something new, some new recent round of bitching, moaning and complaining has caught his interest, and so, he's here to feed on it, and convert it to his favorite of all foods; hate.
yuk.
this of course is not great news, or commentary on the state of the postings here at alt.support.autism
On 30 Dec 2005 07:30:37 -0800, "Michael" <michael.lu...@daterra.ab.ca> wrote
>thanks for the dr asperger update; as far as this persons motives are >concerned however, i'm not completely satisfied with your birthday >party tie in. :)
The guy is a troll, whatever his political motivation. -- mike stanton serving neither god nor mammon on the lonely planet. http://mikestantonsautism.blogspot.com
here's another slant on him; perhaps he's recently been diagnosed ( he has posted the same message in german at de.sci.medizin.psychiatrie ) as asperger and is creating a 'boys from brazil' fantasy for himself to live in. i can certainly see that during one of his 'why me, i'm an uberman' moments, he could very well have chosen 'intellegent design' ( lol ) as his raison d'etre; turning dr asperper into his personal demented version of gregory peck's josef mengele.
perhaps the 'we've been created by extra terrestrials' story got him going; in any case, he needs help, beyond the scope of this newsgroup, thats for sure.
i agree that we've all been exposed to it, whatever it is, long enough, i'm turning the page on this one.
I am trying to establish a probability that the NSDAP used a documented 'personnel profiling system' for SS and or Gestapo (or other) prospective partyapplicants/ candidates. (apart from obvious ideology vetting) Any suggestions or comments?
it makews no differance if he was a nazi party member or not
at the end of the day to suervive many germans and austrians had no choice you either join the nazi party or dont live.
i have many austrian relatives who had no choice if they were to survive ,they are not proud of what they had to join
now differant story if he turned out to be an actvie member of the party in terms of his doctoring and if it had any relevance to ahnialation of those with aspergers or other dissabiulties mental and physicla we know the nazis exterminated,so if his diagnosis was to end up with people being exterminated as being weak etc then i would not like that one bit,but to be simply a doctorr or any member of nazi party is not a crime when faced with such brutal consequneces if you dont toe the line,germans and austrians were under a dictator.
no choice if a regular german austrian,and expertiomantion if gypsy/gay/jewish/disabled or if face simply did not fit,people lived in fear
regards paul
"Michael" <michael.lu...@daterra.ab.ca> wrote in message
> thanks for the dr asperger update; as far as this persons motives are > concerned however, i'm not completely satisfied with your birthday > party tie in. :)
> i've thought about it a bit, and have concluded that 'his' kind is > always lurking around, waiting for any sign that other individuals > around him, in this case newsgroups, are as disappointed with their lot > as he with his.
> there's no telling how long he's been monitoring this newsgroup, but > something new, some new recent round of bitching, moaning and > complaining has caught his interest, and so, he's here to feed on it, > and convert it to his favorite of all foods; hate.
> yuk.
> this of course is not great news, or commentary on the state of the > postings here at alt.support.autism
> Spindle to JK. > Hello John, > I am trying to establish a probability that the NSDAP used a documented > 'personnel profiling system' for SS and or Gestapo (or other) > prospective partyapplicants/ candidates. (apart from obvious ideology > vetting) Any suggestions or comments?
Unfortunately, I wish I could assist, but I can't. I'm not an expert on the SS.
I would presume such a profiling system was used, given the Germans' obssession with classification.
I'm investigating whether Dr. Asperger was working on direct authority of a Reich agency to identify "exceptional" and "gifted" children, leading to his now famous research. Like with Martin Heidegger, Asperger's association, and probable NSDAP membership is "difficult" for those who want to admire and utilize his research and legacy.
> it makews no differance if he was a nazi party member or not
> at the end of the day to suervive many germans and austrians had no choice > you either join the nazi party or dont live.
With all due respect to you, that is an incredibly stupid assertion.
The population of Nazi Germany was between 80 & 90 million people.
At peak, there were only 8.5 million Nazi party members.
So only around 10% were ever NSDAP members.
Whether Asperger was a party member or not is highly relevant, and reflects on his research highly whether certain people on this group like it or not. We can compare the career of Heidegger, who was once a party member, and a big cheerleader of National Socialism. But he resigned from the party and DID NOT go to a concentration camp.
it was an assumption of many germans and austrians at the time that makes the differrance not our knowledge of the facts 70 years later
if my relatives in both germany and austrian and people they knew thought that one had to join nazi party to be safe,then thats what they think is it not,if they spoke to freinds and they all said yes you better join,the nazi party brought fear and terrror on people .
of those 80 million people who were not nazi paty members surely you must be counting gyspies/disabled and jews and others sent to the gas chamvbers and labour camps,so that immedialtely knocks yourr 10 per cent only figure out.
picture this if you can
my german and austrian relatives join because of fear of reprisals,its not something they would openly discuss amongst others,but others outside the family were just assumed to be members,with knowledge know we may well n=know less were actually members but at the time many oridnary germans and austirans were in fear of nazis,those who joined in things like waffen SS and so on then yes clearly they were deidcated nazi party ,but many were not.
"John Keller" <johnkeller2004f***s...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> it makews no differance if he was a nazi party member or not
>> at the end of the day to suervive many germans and austrians had no >> choice you either join the nazi party or dont live.
> With all due respect to you, that is an incredibly stupid assertion.
> The population of Nazi Germany was between 80 & 90 million people.
> At peak, there were only 8.5 million Nazi party members.
> So only around 10% were ever NSDAP members.
> Whether Asperger was a party member or not is highly relevant, and > reflects on his research highly > whether certain people on this group like it or not. We can compare the > career of Heidegger, > who was once a party member, and a big cheerleader of National Socialism. > But he resigned from > the party and DID NOT go to a concentration camp.
>> Asperger's paper from 1944 was largely ignored as he published in >> German from within the Third Reich. But he was no nazi.
> This is an assumption with no evidence ever given to bolster the > assumption.
> There is an unfortunate, and highly ignorant, train of thought that > "nothing good ever came > from Nazi Germany."
> If that were true, the Soviets would have landed on the Moon, and America > would not have.
> Regardless of Dr. Asperger's motives and who or what he was "in the pay > of," his research > was essential and extremely valuable.
> But the question remains: was an influential doctor at the University of > Vienna a party member, and > if not, why not...or more appropriately, HOW not?
>Newsgroups: alt.politics.white-power, alt.politics.nationalism.white, alt.skinheads, alt.revisionism >From: "John Keller" <johnkeller2004f***s...@sbcglobal.net> - Find messages by this author >Date: Sat, 07 Feb 2004 04:51:52 GMT >Local: Fri, Feb 6 2004 11:51 pm >Subject: APP: An Interview with Milton Kleim
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ring some bells for you?
use google groups to look yourself up, its both fun and easy; somebody forged my headers indeed, what a twit. go complain over at the alt.revisionism forum you coward.
michael. made me sick cutting and pasting even this small portion of his crap here, i'll ask the group to forgive me. but there you have it, the sicko wants to believe in his uberman shit, and he's over here, as i guessed, to recruit.
If I knew the address of Maria Asperger, which unfortunately I do not, I would consider informing her of your libels. Do not consider that because Dr Asperger is deceased, that you cannot be sued for bringing the family into disrepute with your lies. Look what has happened to revisionist (so called) historian David Irving.
-- þT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics"
"John Keller" <johnkeller2004f***s...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> Was Hans Asperger a Nazi Party member? He was a doctor at the University of > Vienna during the Third Reich. Is it likely a pediatrician could be able to > operate effectively without being an NSDAP member? I believe it was > required that doctors be members of the Reich Physicians' Chamber > (Reichsärztekammer), but I'm not sure if you had to be a party member to be > a member of that.
> If I knew the address of Maria Asperger, which unfortunately I do not, I > would consider informing her of your libels. Do not consider that because > Dr > Asperger is deceased, that you cannot be sued for bringing the family into > disrepute with your lies. Look what has happened to revisionist (so > called) > historian David Irving.
LOL
Historical research is "libel." BWA HA HA HA
This matter could be put to a close quite quickly:
Answer the Question (was Asperger a Party member or not, and prove your assertion).
> use google groups to look yourself up, its both fun and easy; somebody > forged my headers indeed, what a twit. > go complain over at the alt.revisionism forum you coward. > michael. > made me sick cutting and pasting even this small portion of his crap > here, i'll ask the group to forgive me. but there you have it, the > sicko wants to believe in his uberman shit, and he's over here, as i > guessed, to recruit.
Child, please consider talking to mommy about the "Nazi under your bed."
I thought I was on a group regarding People with Autism, not one for schizophrenics...
> sick fucker nothing good came out of nazi germany > how dare you believe there is
If we had a time machine, we could send you back to the time of the Inquisition, and you could burn people at the stake for daring to claim the world was round and the Earth revolved around the Sun.
It is FACT that "Nazi science" put America on the Moon.
> soviet russia and communism is far better than what the nazis have to > offer and far more better than capitalist world we currently live in
Well in Hans Aspergers native country that was illegally annexed by the Nazi's (don't try and pretend otherwise) David Irving has committed offences, Irving is not a historian but a propogandist.
As for finding out about Asperger, I am in the process of that which is something that cannot be achieved on the internet, don't expect instant ansers.
-- þT
L'autisme c'est moi
"Space folds, and folded space bends, and bent folded space contracts and expands unevenly in every way unconcievable except to someone who does not believe in the laws of mathematics"
"John Keller" <johnkellerf***spam2...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> No, except maybe the ding-dong out of your head.
>> use google groups to look yourself up, its both fun and easy; >> somebody forged my headers indeed, what a twit. >> go complain over at the alt.revisionism forum you coward.
>> michael. >> made me sick cutting and pasting even this small portion of his crap >> here, i'll ask the group to forgive me. but there you have it, the >> sicko wants to believe in his uberman shit, and he's over here, as i >> guessed, to recruit.
> Child, please consider talking to mommy about the "Nazi under your > bed." > I thought I was on a group regarding People with Autism, not one for > schizophrenics...
Get real with the views you have and the references you you claims are fake. You are challenging the real comuter geeks to do hardcore tracking all the way on, probably even into your computer.
And yes, my lastname Ronnenberg is german, its actually von Ronnenberg.
And yes, german family menbers where forced to join the nazis.
But my father helped in putting the familys honor back. When he entered german as a menber of the danish brigade, Hunting "wherewolfs" in Berlin, Braunschweig and several other places and helped to escort people out of "non existing" death camps. But it marked him for the rest of his life.
Go vawering your views where you can find symphatie. I doubt you find any followers here. Being disabled does not motivate one, to be a follower of "the new order". Gaschambers are not a good motivation ;-)
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