It's not that long now until OOW 2009, and then a month or so later in
Europe, for UKOUG 2009. We have an hour long session for ADF EMG at
each.
Some of the best conference sessions I've been to over the years have
been smaller ones where there has been active discussion between the
delegates - that's definitely what I think we should be aiming for
here. However I also know that if you sit 50 techies in a room and ask
them to discuss something it will go tumbleweed quiet, therefore we'd
like to have a number of very short "mini presentations" of different
topics, prior to, say, about 10 mins of open discussion.
Therefore the purpose of this thread is to think what mini
presentations should we arrange. I'm particularly interested in the
views of those who will be attending the session at OOW and feel they
may have comments or opinions on the topic they will air.
Here's a rough list of possible topics:
* Beginners' Corner ("what I found difficult" discussions)
* Code Reuse (building on some of Avrom's work)
* Enterprise Deployment and Tuning
* Coding standards (my personal favourite, though needs a bit more
refinement)
* Code/build/release management best practices
* Team skillsets/levels/training
* Project Management/estimating etc
* Reporting and integration with other products
* "Show me yours" - how about a little showcase of some ADF apps
people have built (not sure how feasible this is - maybe we'd have to
have screenshots)
We've got 60 mins overall, so I think we probably want 5 (or at most
6) mini-presentations of say 2 or 3 mins, leaving ~8 mins for
discussion - minus a bit of time for introductions.
Hopefully if we can agree an agenda of stuff that is broadly
interesting, I can coordinate some of the ADF experts within the group
to provide the mini presentations, and we can have a lively, useful
and enjoyable discussion session.
By the way: for possible speakers I've already emailed please ignore
this thread for now - its purpose is to canvas general opinion to find
out what topics would be most popular.
So, even if you haven't posted to EMG before, now's your chance to say
what you like the sound of!
* Beginners' Corner ("what I found difficult" discussions) =>
how's is this going to be shaped in a presentation, session? Are we
going to make a list of 'what I found difficult' in a time-boxed
fashion, let's say 15 minutes. And then we will put the list on our
google group and propose workarounds, solutions together with the
Oracle Team?
* Code Reuse (building on some of Avrom's work) => Here I would
definitly like to zoom in, on the package-based approach of AVROM and
exterme reusability, the sessions that were given at ODTUG.
* What's in for the developer-community => what do you miss in the
IDE, what are needed enhancements (refactoring doesn't work in all the
layers, short cut keys needed, add your own templates)
* Enterprise Deployment and Tuning => for 10.1.3.4 and 11g, what's
the difference, how to migrate, ...
* Coding standards (my personal favourite, though needs a bit more
refinement) => The best practices that were defined already, can be
refined using 11g features and standards. For example: how to define
templates, facets, etc. a standard for the view layer.
* Code/build/release management best practices => for 10.1.3.4 and
11g, what's the difference, how to migrate, ...
* Team skillsets/levels/training => can't we use the 'fusion
design fundamentals' for this? Duncan Mills has defined the team
skillset/levels/training during his presentation at ODTUG. We could
put this information on the google group as well. => we can have a
quick roundtable to see if todays teams can match this skillset to
their project lifecycle and team set-up.
* Project Management/estimating etc => It would be very
interesting if we could open up the discussion together with Oracle
and learn from their experiences during the Fusion Apps migration. How
do you start estimating, depending on the skill set and expertise of
the developmen team.
* Reporting and integration with other products => We've already
had a presentation regarding reporting last year, I don't know if it
would be interesting to put in the timeslot again?
* "Show me yours" - how about a little showcase of some ADF apps
people have built (not sure how feasible this is - maybe we'd have to
have screenshots) => sounds very interesting !
Kind regards,
Nathalie
On 29 aug, 15:23, Simon Haslam <Sim...@veriton.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for those comments Nathalie, and to others who have emailed me.
Anyone else like to express their opinion? (if you're shy please just
email me directly - my address is in my postings if you view them
through Google) - I'm aiming to pull together the agenda over the next
week.
I don;t think I will be at both OOW and UKOUG 2009 but would like to
add a comment :
All these sounds really great but so short for so many important
topics...
3 mn to deal with "Enterprise Deployment and Tuning => for 10.1.3.4
and 11g, what's the difference, how to migrate, ... ". We need 1 hour
only for that...!!
"Show me yours", great idea ! but can only if we have time to share...
The best would be to have a special EMG or ADF event or sub-event
focusing on ADF and dealing in deep with all these points.
You're right of course - 3-5 mins is not enough to cover practically
*any* topic we've discussed on the EMG! However that's not really the
purpose of the session in my view. As Chris has said from the start,
his intention for the EMG is to have considered discussions - the sort
of thing where you might have to dig around a bit before replying.
Therefore any EMG face-to-face discussion such as at OOW will end up
being fairly light as compared to online - unless you're one of the
"big brains" of the group you probably won't have all the information
in your head.
Therefore I see the session as summary of the types of discussions
we've had in the past coupled with a starting point for new ones,
which hopefully will then be continued online after the event. This is
also consistent we the modern way of collaboration - it's not really
feasible (or carbon friendly!) for us all to keep meeting up in
person.
Shay is pulling together a whole chunk of ADF stuff in the
Unconference this year, and generally across the conference ADF is
really gathering momentum. Certainly I won't have any trouble finding
enough interesting sessions to go to (both ADF and middleware more
generally) - see another discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/adf-methodology/browse_thread/thread/6...
As for the EMG last year we had one session, this year we have three -
I think the space we will warrant will depend on the activity of the
group over the year and it will be interesting to see how it may
evolve.
Finally, here's a "sneak peak" of where we're up to agenda-wise:
- Sunday and Wednesday 1-2pm will have roughly similar content, though
there will be some variations as not all speakers can attend both
sessions - to a certain extent we'll adapt Wednesday depending on how
well Sunday goes, and what size of audience turns up. I've got
agreement from several of the aforementioned "big brains", so I think
we'll have some interesting stuff to discuss.
- Wednesday 2-3pm is the demo (aka "show me yours!") session - no
JDev, but demos of pre/production apps with a bit of talking around
them about what went well and what didn't.
I'm hoping to publish an outline agenda over the next few days so
watch this space...
Simon
On Sep 15, 6:48 pm, Jean-Marc <jm.desv...@gcc.mu> wrote:
> I don;t think I will be at both OOW and UKOUG 2009 but would like to
> add a comment :
> All these sounds really great but so short for so many important
> topics...
> 3 mn to deal with "Enterprise Deployment and Tuning => for 10.1.3.4
> and 11g, what's the difference, how to migrate, ... ". We need 1 hour
> only for that...!!
> "Show me yours", great idea ! but can only if we have time to share...
> The best would be to have a special EMG or ADF event or sub-event
> focusing on ADF and dealing in deep with all these points.
Too bad I won't be there :-(, but I would like to make a contribution
anyway.
Would 'design patterns' be good subject. During the years, we've tried and
applied many (different) solutions for problems we've encountered and have
concluded which ones work and which ones do not. Although the actual
implementation often cannot be shared, the pattern can. It would be great to
have some kind of catalogue.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Simon Haslam <Sim...@veriton.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Jean-Marc
> You're right of course - 3-5 mins is not enough to cover practically
> *any* topic we've discussed on the EMG! However that's not really the
> purpose of the session in my view. As Chris has said from the start,
> his intention for the EMG is to have considered discussions - the sort
> of thing where you might have to dig around a bit before replying.
> Therefore any EMG face-to-face discussion such as at OOW will end up
> being fairly light as compared to online - unless you're one of the
> "big brains" of the group you probably won't have all the information
> in your head.
> Therefore I see the session as summary of the types of discussions
> we've had in the past coupled with a starting point for new ones,
> which hopefully will then be continued online after the event. This is
> also consistent we the modern way of collaboration - it's not really
> feasible (or carbon friendly!) for us all to keep meeting up in
> person.
> Shay is pulling together a whole chunk of ADF stuff in the
> Unconference this year, and generally across the conference ADF is
> really gathering momentum. Certainly I won't have any trouble finding
> enough interesting sessions to go to (both ADF and middleware more
> generally) - see another discussion:
> As for the EMG last year we had one session, this year we have three -
> I think the space we will warrant will depend on the activity of the
> group over the year and it will be interesting to see how it may
> evolve.
> Finally, here's a "sneak peak" of where we're up to agenda-wise:
> - Sunday and Wednesday 1-2pm will have roughly similar content, though
> there will be some variations as not all speakers can attend both
> sessions - to a certain extent we'll adapt Wednesday depending on how
> well Sunday goes, and what size of audience turns up. I've got
> agreement from several of the aforementioned "big brains", so I think
> we'll have some interesting stuff to discuss.
> - Wednesday 2-3pm is the demo (aka "show me yours!") session - no
> JDev, but demos of pre/production apps with a bit of talking around
> them about what went well and what didn't.
> I'm hoping to publish an outline agenda over the next few days so
> watch this space...
> > I don;t think I will be at both OOW and UKOUG 2009 but would like to
> > add a comment :
> > All these sounds really great but so short for so many important
> > topics...
> > 3 mn to deal with "Enterprise Deployment and Tuning => for 10.1.3.4
> > and 11g, what's the difference, how to migrate, ... ". We need 1 hour
> > only for that...!!
> > "Show me yours", great idea ! but can only if we have time to share...
> > The best would be to have a special EMG or ADF event or sub-event
> > focusing on ADF and dealing in deep with all these points.
Thanks to everyone who came along to the ADF EMG sessions at OOW last
week. I thought they were pretty lively and given that I had to "call
time" on several occassions I think people had plenty to talk about,
so thanks for that.
For anyone who's going to UKOUG at the end of next month (30 Nov - 2
Dec) can you drop me an email separately, particularly if you'd like
to introduce a mini-topic, so I can start to plan the agenda.
I'll ditto Simon's comments for OOW09, the end result was great, more than we could have expected for our 2nd OOW session. Thanks to all who turned up and those who took time to participate, your contribution was very valuable. Of particular note Simon must be congratulated for his time & effort on organising the OOW sessions this year - not 1, not 2, but 3 sessions - well done Simon!
Once again to remind members that this group's success is driven by you. The more you participate, the more we share, the more we learn, the more the group is a success. So I encourage all to raise their hand to participate in anyway you can.
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:04 AM, Simon Haslam <Sim...@veriton.co.uk> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who came along to the ADF EMG sessions at OOW last > week. I thought they were pretty lively and given that I had to "call > time" on several occassions I think people had plenty to talk about, > so thanks for that.
> For anyone who's going to UKOUG at the end of next month (30 Nov - 2 > Dec) can you drop me an email separately, particularly if you'd like > to introduce a mini-topic, so I can start to plan the agenda.
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