I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
standpoint.
Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
about?
Many thanks for any responses
J
These are all questions you should be putting to your developer; he's
presumably suggested how to put the site together so he's best able to
explain its benefits and disbenefits as he will have taken all the
pluses and minuses into account when considering the various options.
> I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> standpoint.
> Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> about?
> Many thanks for any responses
> J
Hi Becky,
I have talked a bit with the developer and we'll continue our
conversations as the site is built, but I'd also like some info from
other experienced people. Thanks for the response, and if you have any
thoughts or opinions about issues related to these systems, please let
me know.
Josh
> These are all questions you should be putting to your developer; he's
> presumably suggested how to put the site together so he's best able to
> explain its benefits and disbenefits as he will have taken all the
> pluses and minuses into account when considering the various options.
> Becky
> Becky
> On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > standpoint.
> > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > about?
> > Many thanks for any responses
> > J
The only CMS I'm familiar with is ModX which has the advantage of
generating search engine friendly urls - the problem with most CMS is
that they do not allow friendly urls. So, I'm afraid I really have
nothing much to offer. Although I would like reassurance that the
navigation isn't javascript as this makes it harder for the bots to
follow the internal linking.
> Hi Becky,
> I have talked a bit with the developer and we'll continue our
> conversations as the site is built, but I'd also like some info from
> other experienced people. Thanks for the response, and if you have any
> thoughts or opinions about issues related to these systems, please let
> me know.
> Josh
> On Nov 26, 10:13 am, RebeccaSharpe wrote:
> > Hi
> > These are all questions you should be putting to your developer; he's
> > presumably suggested how to put the site together so he's best able to
> > explain its benefits and disbenefits as he will have taken all the
> > pluses and minuses into account when considering the various options.
> > Becky
> > Becky
> > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > standpoint.
> > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > about?
> > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > J
> I know the
> importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> too
Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
(in most cases) not natural links.
On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
people.
Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
will find sy here who can help.
> I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> standpoint.
> Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> about?
> Many thanks for any responses
> J
Hey Becky,
Yeah, I've been wondering about the urls that will be generated- I
think they'll be dynamic, but there's a technique to have them appear
as static- so for example, the parameters don't show up in the browser
bar. But, I'm wondering whether bots will view them as dynamic or
static, and if there's any fancy footwork needed here. Hm, I think
I'll be looking into this a bit more, I'll post whatever I find out.
I'm not too worried, because from what I understand you have dynamic
pages pretty by virtue of using CSS, and CSS seems to be an SEO
favorite for building pages.
Thanks for the follow up
Josh
> The only CMS I'm familiar with is ModX which has the advantage of
> generating search engine friendly urls - the problem with most CMS is
> that they do not allow friendly urls. So, I'm afraid I really have
> nothing much to offer. Although I would like reassurance that the
> navigation isn't javascript as this makes it harder for the bots to
> follow the internal linking.
> Becky
> On Nov 26, 3:20 pm, big J wrote:
> > Hi Becky,
> > I have talked a bit with the developer and we'll continue our
> > conversations as the site is built, but I'd also like some info from
> > other experienced people. Thanks for the response, and if you have any
> > thoughts or opinions about issues related to these systems, please let
> > me know.
> > Josh
> > On Nov 26, 10:13 am, RebeccaSharpe wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > These are all questions you should be putting to your developer; he's
> > > presumably suggested how to put the site together so he's best able to
> > > explain its benefits and disbenefits as he will have taken all the
> > > pluses and minuses into account when considering the various options.
> > > Becky
> > > Becky
> > > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > > standpoint.
> > > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > > about?
> > > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > > J
Thanks BBD,
I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links- quality,
relevant links from authoritative sites/pages. So no free for alls,
link farms, paid links, link exchanges or the like. Just introductions
from people who think I have a useful site. However, I'm a little
worried- The farther down this 'babe in the woods' road I get, the
more concerned I get that it leads to a place with lots of other well-
intentioned, obedient site owners who don't want to employ the many
scuzzy tricks that are so common, but not to lots of quality traffic,
conversions, money and organic SEO glory. That's all I want, is to
bask in some seo glory. Is that too much to ask?
> > I know the
> > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > too
> Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> (in most cases) not natural links.
> On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> people.
> Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> will find sy here who can help.
> On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > standpoint.
> > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > about?
> > Many thanks for any responses
> > J
There's nothing as such wrong with using a CMS, if that's well
configured but you do often see these used for the wrong reason.
People believe they offer an easier way to build sites, although when
used well, they can hold just as large a learning curve as other
methods. There are also a few people around who offer "web design"
services based on having learnt the essentials of a CMS, quite often
something free like Joomla. The reason their clients actually end up
using this, is because that's all they know how to use.
In some cases, a CMS will be needed but so often you see a small site,
rarely updated that would be better served by an XHTML/CSS set up, or
shopping cart software used for sites with few products, that could
also have used a simpler approach. This is not meant to be a
reflection on
Typo3, which I don't know, or your developer, who might be great, just
important that you have sat down and discussed the alternatives, along
with their implications, rather than followed the line of "this is how
I do websites"
On Nov 26, 8:08 pm, big J wrote:
> Thanks BBD,
> I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links- quality,
> relevant links from authoritative sites/pages. So no free for alls,
> link farms, paid links, link exchanges or the like. Just introductions
> from people who think I have a useful site. However, I'm a little
> worried- The farther down this 'babe in the woods' road I get, the
> more concerned I get that it leads to a place with lots of other well-
> intentioned, obedient site owners who don't want to employ the many
> scuzzy tricks that are so common, but not to lots of quality traffic,
> conversions, money and organic SEO glory. That's all I want, is to
> bask in some seo glory. Is that too much to ask?
> On Nov 26, 2:07 pm, BBdeath wrote:
> > > I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too
> > Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> > to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> > (in most cases) not natural links.
> > On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> > backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> > PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> > people.
> > Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> > general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> > you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> > will find sy here who can help.
> > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > standpoint.
> > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > about?
> > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > J
I think there are some types of sites which do benefit from a CMS
framework - clearly those where content is continually updated, and
where a modular construction is required. Typo3 is an excellent
framework, but unfortunately general support from the user community
is limited and fragmented (in my exeperience, 12 months back). Just
because something is free, does not negate its value and efficacy - do
not dismiss Joomla on this basis.
As to sef urls in the cms framework - there are well documented
solutions, and this (again in my experience) have made an impact on
the user experience which carries through to how Google has indexed
our sites (generally and overalll, without issue).
> There's nothing as such wrong with using a CMS, if that's well
> configured but you do often see these used for the wrong reason.
> People believe they offer an easier way to build sites, although when
> used well, they can hold just as large a learning curve as other
> methods. There are also a few people around who offer "web design"
> services based on having learnt the essentials of a CMS, quite often
> something free like Joomla. The reason their clients actually end up
> using this, is because that's all they know how to use.
> In some cases, a CMS will be needed but so often you see a small site,
> rarely updated that would be better served by an XHTML/CSS set up, or
> shopping cart software used for sites with few products, that could
> also have used a simpler approach. This is not meant to be a
> reflection on
> Typo3, which I don't know, or your developer, who might be great, just
> important that you have sat down and discussed the alternatives, along
> with their implications, rather than followed the line of "this is how
> I do websites"
> On Nov 26, 8:08 pm, big J wrote:
> > Thanks BBD,
> > I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links- quality,
> > relevant links from authoritative sites/pages. So no free for alls,
> > link farms, paid links, link exchanges or the like. Just introductions
> > from people who think I have a useful site. However, I'm a little
> > worried- The farther down this 'babe in the woods' road I get, the
> > more concerned I get that it leads to a place with lots of other well-
> > intentioned, obedient site owners who don't want to employ the many
> > scuzzy tricks that are so common, but not to lots of quality traffic,
> > conversions, money and organic SEO glory. That's all I want, is to
> > bask in some seo glory. Is that too much to ask?
> > On Nov 26, 2:07 pm, BBdeath wrote:
> > > > I know the
> > > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > > too
> > > Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> > > to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> > > (in most cases) not natural links.
> > > On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> > > backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> > > PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> > > people.
> > > Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> > > general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> > > you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> > > will find sy here who can help.
> > > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > > standpoint.
> > > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > > about?
> > > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > > J
> I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links
These are the links that given "because I like your site", "because
some of your content important to my visitors", etc. I'm really
curious how do you mean searching for these- as these are far above
"link building". They are given without being aware that you've got
link.
Beside this I have to share an open secret: SEO doesn't exist. The few
(I've seen 3) ones here who identify themself as "SEO professional"
are lieing: they are online communication experts, not SEO experts-
but as such can ensure that your "relationship" with Google should be
stable.
> Thanks BBD,
> I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links- quality,
> relevant links from authoritative sites/pages. So no free for alls,
> link farms, paid links, link exchanges or the like. Just introductions
> from people who think I have a useful site. However, I'm a little
> worried- The farther down this 'babe in the woods' road I get, the
> more concerned I get that it leads to a place with lots of other well-
> intentioned, obedient site owners who don't want to employ the many
> scuzzy tricks that are so common, but not to lots of quality traffic,
> conversions, money and organic SEO glory. That's all I want, is to
> bask in some seo glory. Is that too much to ask?
> On Nov 26, 2:07 pm, BBdeath wrote:
> > > I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too
> > Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> > to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> > (in most cases) not natural links.
> > On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> > backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> > PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> > people.
> > Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> > general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> > you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> > will find sy here who can help.
> > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > standpoint.
> > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > about?
> > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > J
> > > I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too
> > Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> > to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> > (in most cases) not natural links.
> > On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> > backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> > PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> > people.
> > Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> > general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> > you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> > will find sy here who can help.
> > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > standpoint.
> > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > about?
> > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > J- Masquer le texte des messages précédents -
Oh, who much I agree here - the number of crap sites (and presumably
services) that offer SEO (for an extra charge). Must be in a good mood
tonight - I agree Webado too :)
> > I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links
> These are the links that given "because I like your site", "because
> some of your content important to my visitors", etc. I'm really
> curious how do you mean searching for these- as these are far above
> "link building". They are given without being aware that you've got
> link.
> Beside this I have to share an open secret: SEO doesn't exist. The few
> (I've seen 3) ones here who identify themself as "SEO professional"
> are lieing: they are online communication experts, not SEO experts-
> but as such can ensure that your "relationship" with Google should be
> stable.
> On Nov 26, 8:08 pm, big J wrote:
> > Thanks BBD,
> > I plan on seeking only 'Google approved gold star' links- quality,
> > relevant links from authoritative sites/pages. So no free for alls,
> > link farms, paid links, link exchanges or the like. Just introductions
> > from people who think I have a useful site. However, I'm a little
> > worried- The farther down this 'babe in the woods' road I get, the
> > more concerned I get that it leads to a place with lots of other well-
> > intentioned, obedient site owners who don't want to employ the many
> > scuzzy tricks that are so common, but not to lots of quality traffic,
> > conversions, money and organic SEO glory. That's all I want, is to
> > bask in some seo glory. Is that too much to ask?
> > On Nov 26, 2:07 pm, BBdeath wrote:
> > > > I know the
> > > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > > too
> > > Just carefully- many sites have fallen because "working on links", not
> > > to mention that Google is better and better separating and devaluating
> > > (in most cases) not natural links.
> > > On the other hand even in this group you can meet a site with 39
> > > backlinks and PR5 operated by sy who didn't even had idea what is
> > > PageRank- just built a site that proved to be valuable for a few
> > > people.
> > > Beside this it's impossible (at least for me) to offer any more
> > > general advice that can be found in the Google documentation- but if
> > > you/developer has some better defined "how to" question, then surely
> > > will find sy here who can help.
> > > On Nov 26, 2:57 pm, big J wrote:
> > > > I'm developing a new site, and want to understand the roles played by
> > > > the different systems that will be used, how they inter operate, and
> > > > what it means for me from a development, usability and SEO
> > > > standpoint.
> > > > Our developer is creating the pages using CSS, we're going to use
> > > > Typo3 for a CMS, I understand that is a mysql database driven system.
> > > > I want to know abount any common issues I can expect to encounter or
> > > > should consider when implementing these tools. My goal is to have a
> > > > beautiful site (I'm confident it will be, we have a small but talented
> > > > team of visual people), helpful to it's target audience (big emphasis
> > > > on great content) and easy for visitors to find and load (I know the
> > > > importance of links and popularity and am working on those fronts
> > > > too). Regarding crawlability and navigability, are there any specific
> > > > obstacles others have encountered with these tools that I should know
> > > > about?
> > > > Many thanks for any responses
> > > > J
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