Since N-H-P/John H. Gohde's promise to "poke fun at" the people who contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> Hi everyone - I don't want to start another ranting Gohde thread, but > I think that the time has about come for something to be done to make > him realise this is no game, this isn't a place for him to come to > abuse people.
> John has today crossed an important line. He's prgressed from personal > attacks to outright defamation. That's a line at which I abruptly lose > my sense of humour.
> W.R.T. the 'half naked graphics', I think he's referring to the > website of a lingerie company I direct - I don't care about that.
> What really concerns me is that John has implied that he thinks that > I'm reponsible forhttp://www.naturalhealthperspective.net. He's > implied the same various times, but never directly until now .
> At first, I laughed it off and told him to pull his head in, but then > I thought about his post for a few minutes - these are public forums. > I don't want searchable, public records painting me as someone that > would devote myself to writing a hate blog.
> I explained to John that these days potential employers / business > partners etc often do background searches on people prior to forming > partnerships with them - I've even done it. I explained to John that I > don't want to be known as the type of person that would write a hate > blog about another person - it's just not who I am - as a person I > aspire to tolerance. It's a central tenet of who I am, it's central to > my being - that's why I've butted heads with him previously when he's > used these forums for xenophobic and racist monologues.
> Regardless of the fact that I think the very fact that someone has > devoted a hate blog to him speaks volumes, I will not idly stand by > and let him progress from just being a pest to using these forums as a > platform for overtly defamatory / slanderous comments.
> I've given him a chance to recant his allegation, and he has not only > failed to do so, he's taken it up a notch. Enough is enough.
> I formally and very seriously request that the following actions be > taken:-
> 1. The posts in question be expunged. > 2. John be placed on permanent moderation or banned from these groups > entirely.
> John has crossed a line, his statements are very clearly defamatory - > and would not be tolerated in the real world - why should they be > tolerated in this, a real world forum? He obviously thinks this is > some sort of game.
> I am no longer amused.
> Matthew James (dockarl)
> On May 2, 5:55 am, Volvox777 wrote:
> > NHP wrote in response to my comment that the NHP.net site is not run > > by me
> I miss read that post. :(
> You are NOT the hate blogger, because he is NOT mentally unstable: > unlike you.
> I would say that dockarl is the most likely person. Since both have > displayed a marked preference for semi-naked female graphics.
> is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
There does seem to have been a rather drastic reduction in not only the number of 'regulars' who hang around there during the last few months, but also the level of participation of some of those who remain.
Since I'm not the world's most constant poster myself, I'd previously put this down to work-commitments on the part of others. It would appear though that quite a few have taken flight simply because this place no longer has the feelgood factor it used to and has instead become something of a sporadic battleground.
There have to be some enforcable rules of conduct, not only for the sake of regular contributors but also the unseen masses who arrive here asking simple (also oftentimes complicated and frequently inane or silly) questions about their sites before disappearing, never to return, once their query has been answered or they have been suitably alienated.
This place has a phenomenal visitor turnover... If it turns into mudslinging central, word about Google Webmaster Help being nothing but a war zone will get around the web at the speed of thought.
There will always be disagreements in places like this, but by (insert deity here), there needs to be a way to ensure these stay civilised and don't get out of hand.
I've seen things go to bits before, albeit only with a Star Wars fan- club, not with a Google group... There's madness down that road, as I said in a post in another thread a few days ago.
> Since N-H-P/John H. Gohde's promise to "poke fun at" the people who > contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> Craig
> On May 2, 9:04 pm, dockarl wrote:
> > Hi everyone - I don't want to start another ranting Gohde thread, but > > I think that the time has about come for something to be done to make > > him realise this is no game, this isn't a place for him to come to > > abuse people.
> > John has today crossed an important line. He's prgressed from personal > > attacks to outright defamation. That's a line at which I abruptly lose > > my sense of humour.
> > W.R.T. the 'half naked graphics', I think he's referring to the > > website of a lingerie company I direct - I don't care about that.
> > What really concerns me is that John has implied that he thinks that > > I'm reponsible forhttp://www.naturalhealthperspective.net. He's > > implied the same various times, but never directly until now .
> > At first, I laughed it off and told him to pull his head in, but then > > I thought about his post for a few minutes - these are public forums. > > I don't want searchable, public records painting me as someone that > > would devote myself to writing a hate blog.
> > I explained to John that these days potential employers / business > > partners etc often do background searches on people prior to forming > > partnerships with them - I've even done it. I explained to John that I > > don't want to be known as the type of person that would write a hate > > blog about another person - it's just not who I am - as a person I > > aspire to tolerance. It's a central tenet of who I am, it's central to > > my being - that's why I've butted heads with him previously when he's > > used these forums for xenophobic and racist monologues.
> > Regardless of the fact that I think the very fact that someone has > > devoted a hate blog to him speaks volumes, I will not idly stand by > > and let him progress from just being a pest to using these forums as a > > platform for overtly defamatory / slanderous comments.
> > I've given him a chance to recant his allegation, and he has not only > > failed to do so, he's taken it up a notch. Enough is enough.
> > I formally and very seriously request that the following actions be > > taken:-
> > 1. The posts in question be expunged. > > 2. John be placed on permanent moderation or banned from these groups > > entirely.
> > John has crossed a line, his statements are very clearly defamatory - > > and would not be tolerated in the real world - why should they be > > tolerated in this, a real world forum? He obviously thinks this is > > some sort of game.
> > I am no longer amused.
> > Matthew James (dockarl)
> > On May 2, 5:55 am, Volvox777 wrote:
> > > NHP wrote in response to my comment that the NHP.net site is not run > > > by me
> > I miss read that post. :(
> > You are NOT the hate blogger, because he is NOT mentally unstable: > > unlike you.
> > I would say that dockarl is the most likely person. Since both have > > displayed a marked preference for semi-naked female graphics.- Hide quoted text -
I like helping people, so I'll always come back, but the lack of Googler input has really upset me, I've been told its going to get back up to par, but that hasn't happened yet. Though props to Jonathon Simon for stepping up to the plate as of late.
As far a gohde goes, if what he said made sense half the time I'd be worried, but I'm pretty sure anyone with common sense can figure him out in a post or two. If they do moderate him, he'll just create another identity and continue on, so perhaps a sticky that says not to respond to him would do more, he'll get bored and move on to torture vending machine repairmen or some other newsgroup.
> > is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> There does seem to have been a rather drastic reduction in not only > the number of 'regulars' who hang around there during the last few > months, but also the level of participation of some of those who > remain.
> Since I'm not the world's most constant poster myself, I'd previously > put this down to work-commitments on the part of others. It would > appear though that quite a few have taken flight simply because this > place no longer has the feelgood factor it used to and has instead > become something of a sporadic battleground.
> There have to be some enforcable rules of conduct, not only for the > sake of regular contributors but also the unseen masses who arrive > here asking simple (also oftentimes complicated and frequently inane > or silly) questions about their sites before disappearing, never to > return, once their query has been answered or they have been suitably > alienated.
> This place has a phenomenal visitor turnover... If it turns into > mudslinging central, word about Google Webmaster Help being nothing > but a war zone will get around the web at the speed of thought.
> There will always be disagreements in places like this, but by (insert > deity here), there needs to be a way to ensure these stay civilised > and don't get out of hand.
> I've seen things go to bits before, albeit only with a Star Wars fan- > club, not with a Google group... > There's madness down that road, as I said in a post in another thread > a few days ago.
> So yes, I think the matter of everyone here having to stick to the > same set of 'play nicely' rules is becoming a matter of some urgency.
> Sasch
> On May 3, 9:34 am, cass-hacks wrote:
> > Since N-H-P/John H. Gohde's promise to "poke fun at" the people who > > contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> > Craig
> > On May 2, 9:04 pm, dockarl wrote:
> > > Hi everyone - I don't want to start another ranting Gohde thread, but > > > I think that the time has about come for something to be done to make > > > him realise this is no game, this isn't a place for him to come to > > > abuse people.
> > > John has today crossed an important line. He's prgressed from personal > > > attacks to outright defamation. That's a line at which I abruptly lose > > > my sense of humour.
> > > W.R.T. the 'half naked graphics', I think he's referring to the > > > website of a lingerie company I direct - I don't care about that.
> > > What really concerns me is that John has implied that he thinks that > > > I'm reponsible forhttp://www.naturalhealthperspective.net. He's > > > implied the same various times, but never directly until now .
> > > At first, I laughed it off and told him to pull his head in, but then > > > I thought about his post for a few minutes - these are public forums. > > > I don't want searchable, public records painting me as someone that > > > would devote myself to writing a hate blog.
> > > I explained to John that these days potential employers / business > > > partners etc often do background searches on people prior to forming > > > partnerships with them - I've even done it. I explained to John that I > > > don't want to be known as the type of person that would write a hate > > > blog about another person - it's just not who I am - as a person I > > > aspire to tolerance. It's a central tenet of who I am, it's central to > > > my being - that's why I've butted heads with him previously when he's > > > used these forums for xenophobic and racist monologues.
> > > Regardless of the fact that I think the very fact that someone has > > > devoted a hate blog to him speaks volumes, I will not idly stand by > > > and let him progress from just being a pest to using these forums as a > > > platform for overtly defamatory / slanderous comments.
> > > I've given him a chance to recant his allegation, and he has not only > > > failed to do so, he's taken it up a notch. Enough is enough.
> > > I formally and very seriously request that the following actions be > > > taken:-
> > > 1. The posts in question be expunged. > > > 2. John be placed on permanent moderation or banned from these groups > > > entirely.
> > > John has crossed a line, his statements are very clearly defamatory - > > > and would not be tolerated in the real world - why should they be > > > tolerated in this, a real world forum? He obviously thinks this is > > > some sort of game.
> > > I am no longer amused.
> > > Matthew James (dockarl)
> > > On May 2, 5:55 am, Volvox777 wrote:
> > > > NHP wrote in response to my comment that the NHP.net site is not run > > > > by me
> > > I miss read that post. :(
> > > You are NOT the hate blogger, because he is NOT mentally unstable: > > > unlike you.
> > > I would say that dockarl is the most likely person. Since both have > > > displayed a marked preference for semi-naked female graphics.- Hide quoted text -
For me it's work commitments, not the behaviour of a minority, that has slowed down my posting, but that's irrelevant.
I'm still fed up with the abuse he hands out - to everyone. I don't know what the answer is - moderation was working though.
Perhaps a simple autogenerated signature - 'this person has been placed on moderation by the group administrators due to personal attacks' and a link to the nhp.net site would act as a form of 'self- moderation'.
> I like helping people, so I'll always come back, but the lack of > Googler input has really upset me, I've been told its going to get > back up to par, but that hasn't happened yet. Though props to > Jonathon Simon for stepping up to the plate as of late.
> As far a gohde goes, if what he said made sense half the time I'd be > worried, but I'm pretty sure anyone with common sense can figure him > out in a post or two. If they do moderate him, he'll just create > another identity and continue on, so perhaps a sticky that says not to > respond to him would do more, he'll get bored and move on to torture > vending machine repairmen or some other newsgroup.
> On May 3, 6:43 am, IceGiant wrote:
> > > is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> > There does seem to have been a rather drastic reduction in not only > > the number of 'regulars' who hang around there during the last few > > months, but also the level of participation of some of those who > > remain.
> > Since I'm not the world's most constant poster myself, I'd previously > > put this down to work-commitments on the part of others. It would > > appear though that quite a few have taken flight simply because this > > place no longer has the feelgood factor it used to and has instead > > become something of a sporadic battleground.
> > There have to be some enforcable rules of conduct, not only for the > > sake of regular contributors but also the unseen masses who arrive > > here asking simple (also oftentimes complicated and frequently inane > > or silly) questions about their sites before disappearing, never to > > return, once their query has been answered or they have been suitably > > alienated.
> > This place has a phenomenal visitor turnover... If it turns into > > mudslinging central, word about Google Webmaster Help being nothing > > but a war zone will get around the web at the speed of thought.
> > There will always be disagreements in places like this, but by (insert > > deity here), there needs to be a way to ensure these stay civilised > > and don't get out of hand.
> > I've seen things go to bits before, albeit only with a Star Wars fan- > > club, not with a Google group... > > There's madness down that road, as I said in a post in another thread > > a few days ago.
> > So yes, I think the matter of everyone here having to stick to the > > same set of 'play nicely' rules is becoming a matter of some urgency.
> > Sasch
> > On May 3, 9:34 am, cass-hacks wrote:
> > > Since N-H-P/John H. Gohde's promise to "poke fun at" the people who > > > contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > > > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > > > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> > > Craig
> > > On May 2, 9:04 pm, dockarl wrote:
> > > > Hi everyone - I don't want to start another ranting Gohde thread, but > > > > I think that the time has about come for something to be done to make > > > > him realise this is no game, this isn't a place for him to come to > > > > abuse people.
> > > > John has today crossed an important line. He's prgressed from personal > > > > attacks to outright defamation. That's a line at which I abruptly lose > > > > my sense of humour.
> > > > W.R.T. the 'half naked graphics', I think he's referring to the > > > > website of a lingerie company I direct - I don't care about that.
> > > > What really concerns me is that John has implied that he thinks that > > > > I'm reponsible forhttp://www.naturalhealthperspective.net. He's > > > > implied the same various times, but never directly until now .
> > > > At first, I laughed it off and told him to pull his head in, but then > > > > I thought about his post for a few minutes - these are public forums. > > > > I don't want searchable, public records painting me as someone that > > > > would devote myself to writing a hate blog.
> > > > I explained to John that these days potential employers / business > > > > partners etc often do background searches on people prior to forming > > > > partnerships with them - I've even done it. I explained to John that I > > > > don't want to be known as the type of person that would write a hate > > > > blog about another person - it's just not who I am - as a person I > > > > aspire to tolerance. It's a central tenet of who I am, it's central to > > > > my being - that's why I've butted heads with him previously when he's > > > > used these forums for xenophobic and racist monologues.
> > > > Regardless of the fact that I think the very fact that someone has > > > > devoted a hate blog to him speaks volumes, I will not idly stand by > > > > and let him progress from just being a pest to using these forums as a > > > > platform for overtly defamatory / slanderous comments.
> > > > I've given him a chance to recant his allegation, and he has not only > > > > failed to do so, he's taken it up a notch. Enough is enough.
> > > > I formally and very seriously request that the following actions be > > > > taken:-
> > > > 1. The posts in question be expunged. > > > > 2. John be placed on permanent moderation or banned from these groups > > > > entirely.
> > > > John has crossed a line, his statements are very clearly defamatory - > > > > and would not be tolerated in the real world - why should they be > > > > tolerated in this, a real world forum? He obviously thinks this is > > > > some sort of game.
> > > > I am no longer amused.
> > > > Matthew James (dockarl)
> > > > On May 2, 5:55 am, Volvox777 wrote:
> > > > > NHP wrote in response to my comment that the NHP.net site is not run > > > > > by me
> > > > I miss read that post. :(
> > > > You are NOT the hate blogger, because he is NOT mentally unstable: > > > > unlike you.
> > > > I would say that dockarl is the most likely person. Since both have > > > > displayed a marked preference for semi-naked female graphics.- Hide quoted text -
In America, Dockarl, the first letter of names are capitalized.
On May 3, 12:04 am, dockarl wrote:
> W.R.T. the 'half naked graphics', I think he's referring to the > website of a lingerie company I direct - I don't care about that.
Well, I do. :)
You just admitted in print that my comments were totally correct. :)
You either ran, or are continuing to run, certain advertisements on your web site that I personally found offensive. And, that any sensitive female would also find offensive.
So, I commented on this slimy characteristic of your site that you just happen to share in common with that hate blog. So, what?
I am demanding a public apology from you, for defaming my character.
> contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
So, the people who WRONGLY thought that they personally OWNED this group have suddenly realized that they were posting too much, here. So, What?
Posting on this forum has exploded from last years posting history. So, you are saying that I am personally responsible for the recent explosion of posts on these forums?
> > contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> So, the people who WRONGLY thought that they personally OWNED this > group have suddenly realized that they were posting too much, here. > So, What?
> Posting on this forum has exploded from last years posting history. > So, you are saying that I am personally responsible for the recent > explosion of posts on these forums?
This thread is not about him, it's about what to do about him. In my opinion, his favourite hobby is to take any thread and pollute it with emotive cruft and personal attacks in order to move it right off topic and attract attention to himself.
Let's keep this objective with the aim of having something done about that.
> > > contribute the most in the Google Webmaster Help forum seems to have > > > more so turned into a threat with his idea of "poking fun" being to > > > defame people, is it any wonder that participation in this forum by > > > the people who used to contribute the most has dropped significantly?
> > So, the people who WRONGLY thought that they personally OWNED this > > group have suddenly realized that they were posting too much, here. > > So, What?
> > Posting on this forum has exploded from last years posting history. > > So, you are saying that I am personally responsible for the recent > > explosion of posts on these forums?
> > Perhaps, if you stopped being so self-absorbed?
